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Thanks! But having the only intake as 240 fronton through radiator - wouldn't that make the entire system that much hotter? I never understood how one could have radiators everywhere - like this. If they are intake they would blow hot air over the MB and other components no? And if exhaust, well whethe do they get air from?

Appreciate the advice - just trying to u destined - don't have any experience building with radiators. Thanks!
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It's down to personal preference really. Top fans can be loud, especially if a radiator is present and you left the grill there too.

To avoid blowing hot air inside the components area you would need to mod and make a chamber. Personally I would get rid of all cages and separate that area from the MB by an added wall. Place all radiators in the created closed compartment, either mount on side panels and blow straight through from one to the other, or mount on front intake and create exhaust on one of the side panels. 3x120 should fit height wise, at least it seems to in Define S. Then add bottom filtered intake and rear exhaust for the components compartment. If bottom doesn't fit anymore, then get a cheapo filter and use side as intake instead.

This would work for R5 easily since you can screw out all the cages. Other cases you would have to cut something out to get rid of all the cages.

You get fresh cold air to all radiators and all the hot air goes straight out.
Drives can be mounted anywhere IMHO, especially SSDs, use your imagination.

---

Nonmod sensible variants:
CPU top exhaust push, GPU rear exhaust PP, place other fans as intakes
The other options will blow hot air inside the case. Is that an issue? Not IMHO. Most parts don't care about ambient temperature. Capacitors are temperature sensitive but they are solid and sealed on MB and GPU these days. I wouldn't worry about the inside of the case being warmer. With air cooling it's all dissipated inside the case as well and more so concentrated at the top rear.
Edited by JackCY - 5/23/15 at 3:26am
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I bought the Fractal Design S and receieved it last week, figured i would go ahead and post pictures:




Post some more when you done and your thoughts on the case smile.gif

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Thanks! But having the only intake as 240 fronton through radiator - wouldn't that make the entire system that much hotter? I never understood how one could have radiators everywhere - like this. If they are intake they would blow hot air over the MB and other components no? And if exhaust, well whethe do they get air from?

Appreciate the advice - just trying to u destined - don't have any experience building with radiators. Thanks!

Yes, of course. Having the CPU 240 rad as the only intake will of course increase the case temperature. And it's gonna slightly affect other components temperatures. But it's not that big of a deal.
You're already pumping hot air inside your case with the Titan X. And the Titan X has a TDP of 250W. The 5820K has a TDP of a 140W.
The amount the 5820K is going to increase your inside case temperature is a lot less than what the Titan X is.
The ambient air in / radiator air out temp difference is not going to be large difference, should be well under 10C or something like that. Not 100% sure, haven't done any measurements myself.
If you have something to measure temperatures, go and measure the difference. For example some multimeters have temp probes. Or you could use the outdoor probe of a weather station.

What I suggested keeps most of the noise inside your case. And since you don't have a 280 rad your top of the case is exposed with the 240 rad since it doesn't cover all of the open space. Dust gets in and noise leaks out.
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Would the side panel of the 'S' fit the Define Mini ?
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Would the side panel of the 'S' fit the Define Mini ?
No not possible.
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No not possible.

thanks frown.gif
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It's down to personal preference really. Top fans can be loud, especially if a radiator is present and you left the grill there too.

To avoid blowing hot air inside the components area you would need to mod and make a chamber. Personally I would get rid of all cages and separate that area from the MB by an added wall. Place all radiators in the created closed compartment, either mount on side panels and blow straight through from one to the other, or mount on front intake and create exhaust on one of the side panels. 3x120 should fit height wise, at least it seems to in Define S. Then add bottom filtered intake and rear exhaust for the components compartment. If bottom doesn't fit anymore, then get a cheapo filter and use side as intake instead.

This would work for R5 easily since you can screw out all the cages. Other cases you would have to cut something out to get rid of all the cages.

You get fresh cold air to all radiators and all the hot air goes straight out.
Drives can be mounted anywhere IMHO, especially SSDs, use your imagination.

---

Nonmod sensible variants:
CPU top exhaust push, GPU rear exhaust PP, place other fans as intakes
The other options will blow hot air inside the case. Is that an issue? Not IMHO. Most parts don't care about ambient temperature. Capacitors are temperature sensitive but they are solid and sealed on MB and GPU these days. I wouldn't worry about the inside of the case being warmer. With air cooling it's all dissipated inside the case as well and more so concentrated at the top rear.
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Originally Posted by lagittaja View Post

Yes, of course. Having the CPU 240 rad as the only intake will of course increase the case temperature. And it's gonna slightly affect other components temperatures. But it's not that big of a deal.
You're already pumping hot air inside your case with the Titan X. And the Titan X has a TDP of 250W. The 5820K has a TDP of a 140W.
The amount the 5820K is going to increase your inside case temperature is a lot less than what the Titan X is.
The ambient air in / radiator air out temp difference is not going to be large difference, should be well under 10C or something like that. Not 100% sure, haven't done any measurements myself.
If you have something to measure temperatures, go and measure the difference. For example some multimeters have temp probes. Or you could use the outdoor probe of a weather station.

What I suggested keeps most of the noise inside your case. And since you don't have a 280 rad your top of the case is exposed with the 240 rad since it doesn't cover all of the open space. Dust gets in and noise leaks out.

Thanks for the response! Update - I have decided to get rid off the 240mm AIO for CPU just so that I can close the top and don't have to intake through it. Now I'm stuck in between two options:

A) CURRENT setup:
- FRONT: 1x140mm intake (maybe + 1x120mm intake above it) & 120 push&pull through radiator for GPU AIO on the bottom with bottom exhaust (kind of a DIY housing biggrin.gif)
- TOP: nothing smile.gif
- BACK: 140mm exhaust
- BOTTOM: tried 1x intake behind the exhaust for GPU, but it takes in the hot air GPU outputs next to it - so the best I could do would be to do it as an 120mm exhaust for the DIY GPU housing
+ as CPU cooler I got Noctua NH-D15; the issue is I would have to swap out MOBO if I go SLI as my x99 micro has first PCI-E slot over-hanged frown.gif

B)
- FRONT: 1x140mm intake (maybe + 1x120mm intake above it) & 120 push&pull through radiator for CPU AIO on the bottom with bottom exhaust (kind of a DIY housing biggrin.gif)
- TOP: nothing smile.gif
- BACK: 120mm push&pull through AIO GPU rad as exhaust
- BOTTOM: 120mm exhaust for the DIY CPU housing

Now I'm thinking option B is probably better? But the issue is finding good enough CPU 120mm AIO that would be good enough and have a long enough tubing that I could run it in the bottom slot on the front.

Any though much appreciated! smile.gif
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I would use the D15 because it's quieter probably. But that would mean mounting the GPU AIO on bottom or front or top front. I'm not sure how good bottom exhaust is but it could work if you put decent intake on the front, which you should always do anyway.
D15, AIO bottom or top exhaust, feed air inside the case where ever possible. We don't know how your contraption of GPU AIO looks like though. Since you have to move your card, you probably wouldn't have space to mount the GPU AIO in place of PCIE slots as exhaust.
It's up to you, where ever you mount it, it will work tongue.gif
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I had my Define S come in two weeks ago finally had a chance to transplant the build out of my S340.

First off this case is incredibly well built as I thought it would be and it's really hard to have anything negative to say about it. Even for an air cooling based system this case is leagues better than the S340 while maintaining a similar footprint. There were a Few issues with my case however: one of the side panels has a noticeable bow to it and doesn't close flush, the front mic/headphone jacks are swapped and pick up some weird interference (gonna blame the interference on onboard though).

Some minor cons:

- there is very little room on the back side of the case if you require multiple psu cables for gpus and such with multiple hard drives mounted
- there is very little room by the cable management opening near the psu with longer psu's
- the front mounts for fans have an open slot for screws rather than a screw hole and this can make it a pain to get fans mounted straight but I do understand it is for flexibility of mounting more than anything
- larger psu's interfere with the bottom fan mounts for 140mm fans (and possible 120mm fans the larger your psu is)
- front filter appears to be more restrictive than most filters ive used
- hard to tidy up longer psu cables; you're going to end up with a lot of bunched up cable on the component side of the case

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