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post #13591 of 16063
Hi all,

Really tempting getting a slightly bigger case than my air 240. Just got a EK 240mm kit and a waterblock to my GTX 980 and i still wanna have a small case.
Core 1500? Arc mini?

Im looking at using two 240 radiators, one for the cpu and one for the gpu. Where would those be most effective in a mini or core 1500? Front and bottom, or front and top or top and bottom and use front as intakes?
Going to rip every cage out anyway.

3SSD's + an M.2
4670K@4,3
EVGA GTX 980 that clocks pretty good on air, but temps in the air 240 is stopping for more im afraid.
Asrock Z97m

Cooling/silent goes before asthetics, but i like it tidy. Not afraid of a dremel either.

- EK-Supreme LTX UNI CSQ 2013
- radiator: EK-CoolStream PE 240
- water pump / reservoir combo unit: EK-DCP 2.2 X-RES incl. Pump
- compression fittings: EK-CSQ Fitting 16/10mm - G1/4 Nickel (6 pcs)
- EK-FC980 GTX GPU block
- 240 radiator, not decided which

I can switch one 240 for a 120mm i have around, an old Black Ice.

Suggestions and pictures please!

TIA

Marcus
post #13592 of 16063
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Originally Posted by Harrywang View Post

Wow. Seems like the topic of water vs air is becoming world war 3 over here in OC...biggrin.gif

http://www.overclock.net/t/1581317/hey-airheads-theres-a-storm-brewing



I agree though. Why even bother with water cooling unless it's a hobby for you and you have a lot of money to blow. Air does just as good and MUCH less of a hassle at the fraction of the cost. I rather spend the extra money for other things.
lol. Looks about right. Water cooling does look cool, but even the closed loop guys spend even more money on Noctua fans. Honestly, even with GPUs, most significant gains can be obtained simply by reapplying thermal pasted, adjusting the fan curve and staying away from AMD. Lol.
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Originally Posted by CC268 View Post

I hated how my MSI 980TI was running at 75*C -80*C during gaming - on STOCK clocks.
That's by design. The stock fan curves don't kick up until temps get to 70ish. I changed my default fan curve and on air I don't really get out of the upper 40's/low 50's when gaming.




I never meant to derail the thread into a air/water debate, but it just seemed like this thread turned into a Water/Design S thread.
post #13593 of 16063
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I never meant to derail the thread into a air/water debate, but it just seemed like this thread turned into a Water/Design S thread.

That is because where the hype is and will be until the next new case comes out.
post #13594 of 16063
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Originally Posted by smithydan View Post

That is because where the hype is and will be until the next new case comes out.
I suppose all the Airheads are busy using their PCs. tongue.gif
post #13595 of 16063
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Originally Posted by Dreamliner View Post

Do you have a mesh grille over the front and do you actually find it helps? I get lots of dust in my case almost immediately with a stock setup.
Holy crap, that looks incredible. For the most part I think watercooling is dumb because it really only affects temps at 100% load which most games do not even do and is only measurable in synthetic benchmarks; not to mention the risk of liquid, and finally, most watercooled builds sacrifice cooling of ancillary components like hard drives and ssd's to have a 'clean' look but your build looks quite incredible!

Bro the mesh one for the front does NOT FIT. I have no idea how they expect me to get it on there.
post #13596 of 16063
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Originally Posted by st0necold View Post

Bro the mesh one for the front does NOT FIT. I have no idea how they expect me to get it on there.
Just a guess, but did you remove the Fractal grille?

Isn't the front the most important? The only intake you should have is front and maybe side...
post #13597 of 16063
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Originally Posted by Dreamliner View Post

lol. Looks about right. Water cooling does look cool, but even the closed loop guys spend even more money on Noctua fans. Honestly, even with GPUs, most significant gains can be obtained simply by reapplying thermal pasted, adjusting the fan curve and staying away from AMD. Lol.
That's by design. The stock fan curves don't kick up until temps get to 70ish. I changed my default fan curve and on air I don't really get out of the upper 40's/low 50's when gaming.




I never meant to derail the thread into a air/water debate, but it just seemed like this thread turned into a Water/Design S thread.

It got to high 70s running at 100% fan speed and using whatever fan curve. Those are normal Temps for the MSI. Even the G1 980TI runs at high 60s to low 70s when gaming and that is considered to be one of the better air cooled cards.

Not sure if you have a 980TI...but if your running on 40s or 50s during gaming you must live in the north pole or have a magical card...or your playing mine craft or something haha
    
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It got to high 70s running at 100% fan speed and using whatever fan curve. Those are normal Temps for the MSI. Even the G1 980TI runs at high 60s to low 70s when gaming and that is considered to be one of the better air cooled cards.

Not sure if you have a 980TI...but if your running on 40s or 50s during gaming you must live in the north pole or have a magical card...or your playing mine craft or something haha
Gigabyte GTX 970 G1 Gaming here. I'm sure the 980Ti runs a bit warmer. tongue.gif

Your right though, fan curves don't matter at all if running the fan at 100% or manually set it higher. I only mentioned that because it seems that fan speeds are related to temp and not GPU load; that sounds obvious I know, but if your card is only trying to keep temps under say, 95 degrees, that means it won't push it lower, even if it could. (Still doesn't make a difference if you manually set fan speed higher which is why watercoolers usually don't notice this phenomenon).

I'm all for watercooling if you already are buying top components and have the cheddar to burn; just don't forego better components to budget in water. thumb.gif
post #13599 of 16063
I have 2 Noctuas industrials on my top radiator and I can tell you if your going to buy fans the industrials are pretty good . Mine are 3000 RPM but I keep them no more then 2000 RPM. At 1900RPM and under you cannot hear them . I use and aquacomputer to Keep all the fans (6) under control in case and I don't hear them unless gaming the control the Aqua computer gives is unparalleled.
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I have 2 Noctuas industrials on my top radiator and I can tell you if your going to buy fans the industrials are pretty good . Mine are 3000 RPM but I keep them no more then 2000 RPM. At 1900RPM and under you cannot hear them . I use and aquacomputer to Keep all the fans (6) under control in case and I don't hear them unless gaming the control the Aqua computer gives is unparalleled.

I have the 2000 rpm version and they are very audible at more than 1000rpm, i guess we all have different tolerances to noise.
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