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My monster Fractal Design Define R4


I am sure after your pics with water cooling it looks terrible biggrin.gif
It is quiet and cools well.
post #13642 of 16055
Here's few lazy pics of Define Mini, i didn't want to unhook and move it to a better spot to get pictures because i have Fallout 4 on pause biggrin.gif. Cable management is not nearly as good as some of you guys have.




Edited by Leader - 12/10/15 at 11:09am
post #13643 of 16055
Haven't visited the sub for a while, any update or product for filtered moduvents on design s? Is there a fan filter that could cover it all? A normal 420mm filter would leave the back mobo tray side exposed. Nice builds btw thumb.gif
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Originally Posted by Joe-Gamer View Post

Haven't visited the sub for a while, any update or product for filtered moduvents on design s? Is there a fan filter that could cover it all? A normal 420mm filter would leave the back mobo tray side exposed. Nice builds btw thumb.gif

Nothing yet.
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Ok transplanted system to the Define S...what a nightmare job this was.

Where to start :

  • Overall cable management isn't nice. They haven't really channelled the prewired case cables and the back doesn't have much space. The front however seems to have over an inch of unused space leading to the side panel. It would have been better used in the rear.
  • You're going to have to get creative, lucky and show some ingenuity in order to keep the majority of the floor vent/fan from being obstructed by cables.
  • The spacing behind the 3.5" drives is insufficient. You cannot use L shaped SATA data cables and/or some SATA power leads because of their cable size.
  • The spacing behind the 2.5" drives is insufficient. You cannot use L shaped SATA data cables.
  • The angled grommet(s) is positioned too close to the motherboard. You cannot use L shaped SATA data cables.
  • The lack of any fan screws is disappointing.
  • The Velcro straps are not stitched to themselves meaning they can't be sinched tight properly, or they come loose too easily.
  • The case cables are not sheathed in any way.
  • The top moduvent panels are plastic (not metal like the rest of the case top) in case any potential buyers were wondering. The pads do block some of the noise, though tapping the plastic reveals a hollow sound.
  • The bottom floor flexes extremely easily. A gentle push with your index finger and it pops back and forth. This is exacerbated by the loose fitted air filter underneath which rattles easily.
  • The PSU mounting spot isn't particularly high off the floor of the case and it's four little pads which are thin and unimpressive. Logan said the same thing about the Define series - it's like someone just half heartedly plopped down some spare sticky pads that were lying around. It does however have a rubber strip around the PSU frame when mounted.
  • Overall the metal is cheap feeling and the front panel is literally a piece of plastic. It does zero to block noise. I suspect some Define S owners have removed it for better air intake, because why not, it serves no purpose otherwise.




It took me almost three hours, between fighting with cables, positioning things, running around frantically going through boxes looking for all straight SATA data cables and general fittings as everything was tight. The previous CM5 case took about forty minutes, including cable management.

For someone who likes to be in and out of their case a lot, this was a very telling exercise.
post #13646 of 16055
That's not at all surprising. I think I knew this beforehand, as I had examined the R4/5 and S in Microcenter many times.
Fractal cases are cheap - there's no way getting around it. Regarding cables - I read review beforehand and ordered tons of straight-line cables and straight SATA-power extension cables from China (so I got a 'stash' now). In that respect, some diligence on your part probably could have prevented that haha.

But getting back to build quality:
There's a big reason I had my Lian Li for so long - ease of use. Damn easy to get into, yeah it's all aluminum, looks and feels great. No, it didn't have your modern quality of life things (rear-mounted SSDs, removable optical drive cage, cable management), but I made it work for about 7 years.

Like you, it took a great deal of work to make my R5 usable (including cutting out exhaust fan grills, bottom grill, and PCI-e area grill).
Even with *all* the work I did, the case/GPU/CPU temps are basically unchanged. This is even with the crappy Thermalright X-120 fans I had installed over the last year (2 in, 2 out).

To me, the Fractal experience was a compromise and for a cheap price. I think in retrospect, I would buy Phanteks or soemthing else entirely, e.g. the MasterCase series from CM. Probably the first time I've looked at CM since their older Wave series.
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You say that, however there is a general feeling amongst the community that Fractal always puts out quality products built with quality materials. Consider this..when people compare cost effective chassis, they draw comparisons or pit models like Define S and the Phanteks Pro M. And yet in each of those debates, someone says 'well if nothing else, the Define S is quality - it's Fractal.' It is to the point where even so called independent reviewers say the same. Sadly, nothing I found out in my experience, was discussed by Dmitry or maybe Paul of HTL. I can't believe they missed all these things I found within ten minutes.
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Fractal cases are cheap - there's no way getting around it. Regarding cables - I read review beforehand and ordered tons of straight-line cables and straight SATA-power extension cables from China (so I got a 'stash' now). In that respect, some diligence on your part probably could have prevented that haha.

True brother, I should have thought of that - I guess I got too used to well planned and quality cases!
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But getting back to build quality:
There's a big reason I had my Lian Li for so long - ease of use. Damn easy to get into, yeah it's all aluminum, looks and feels great. No, it didn't have your modern quality of life things (rear-mounted SSDs, removable optical drive cage, cable management), but I made it work for about 7 years.

Ya, although I am returning the CM5, it has some great features and when I have the two side by side (well the build alone was telling enough), you can really see and feel it.
The CM5 was definitely quicker to work with, which was good seeing as I came from an open bench.
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Like you, it took a great deal of work to make my R5 usable (including cutting out exhaust fan grills, bottom grill, and PCI-e area grill).
Even with *all* the work I did, the case/GPU/CPU temps are basically unchanged. This is even with the crappy Thermalright X-120 fans I had installed over the last year (2 in, 2 out).

I haven't taken out any grills, nor have I punched any holes in that rear slot that they covered up. Did we ever find out why they did that? There's no mounting holes or brackets, so it can't be for a reservoir..

I have not opened the moduvent or the side panel vent. So far temperatures are the same as the CM5.
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To me, the Fractal experience was a compromise and for a cheap price. I think in retrospect, I would buy Phanteks or soemthing else entirely, e.g. the MasterCase series from CM. Probably the first time I've looked at CM since their older Wave series.

I toyed with Phanteks Evolv for some time, however that PSU shroud was too restrictive and I didn't feel the case offered any thing of any particular interest - other than being a nice show case. For the price, there was more practical things out there. Before the Define S, I had ordered a Thermaltake F51, and cancelled it. Then a Define R5, then cancelled it.
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Yeah I'm probably gonna stay on this for a bit - until there is a really compelling upgrade available.
As for Dmitry - his videos have incredible production value; so easy to want to buy a case after watching his reviews haha.

In this case, I should have trusted my gut and first-hand impression since these cases were available at Microcenter.

I remember an older fellow extolling the benefits of top exhaust when I was looking at the Define S haha.
Edited by mav451 - 12/11/15 at 1:42pm
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Ok transplanted system to the Define S...what a nightmare job this was.

Where to start :

  • Overall cable management isn't nice. They haven't really channelled the prewired case cables and the back doesn't have much space. The front however seems to have over an inch of unused space leading to the side panel. It would have been better used in the rear.
  • You're going to have to get creative, lucky and show some ingenuity in order to keep the majority of the floor vent/fan from being obstructed by cables.
  • The spacing behind the 3.5" drives is insufficient. You cannot use L shaped SATA data cables and/or some SATA power leads because of their cable size.
  • The spacing behind the 2.5" drives is insufficient. You cannot use L shaped SATA data cables.
  • The angled grommet(s) is positioned too close to the motherboard. You cannot use L shaped SATA data cables.
  • The lack of any fan screws is disappointing.
  • The Velcro straps are not stitched to themselves meaning they can't be sinched tight properly, or they come loose too easily.
  • The case cables are not sheathed in any way.
  • The top moduvent panels are plastic (not metal like the rest of the case top) in case any potential buyers were wondering. The pads do block some of the noise, though tapping the plastic reveals a hollow sound.
  • The bottom floor flexes extremely easily. A gentle push with your index finger and it pops back and forth. This is exacerbated by the loose fitted air filter underneath which rattles easily.
  • The PSU mounting spot isn't particularly high off the floor of the case and it's four little pads which are thin and unimpressive. Logan said the same thing about the Define series - it's like someone just half heartedly plopped down some spare sticky pads that were lying around. It does however have a rubber strip around the PSU frame when mounted.
  • Overall the metal is cheap feeling and the front panel is literally a piece of plastic. It does zero to block noise. I suspect some Define S owners have removed it for better air intake, because why not, it serves no purpose otherwise.




It took me almost three hours, between fighting with cables, positioning things, running around frantically going through boxes looking for all straight SATA data cables and general fittings as everything was tight. The previous CM5 case took about forty minutes, including cable management.

For someone who likes to be in and out of their case a lot, this was a very telling exercise.

I kind of disagree with most of your initial points.
I found the back of the case to have plenty of space. If you look at my sig you will see that I have a lot of peripherals going on and all of them with single braided cables back there. Had no troubles routing everything properly.
And I could go on... but for the price of the Define S and what it offers I think you were expecting a Case Labs case. But hey to each their own opinion.
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I kind of disagree with most of your initial points.
I found the back of the case to have plenty of space. If you look at my sig you will see that I have a lot of peripherals going on and all of them with single braided cables back there. Had no troubles routing everything properly.
And I could go on... but for the price of the Define S and what it offers I think you were expecting a Case Labs case. But hey to each their own opinion.

The things I found fault with are simply over sights, not a materials /cost/overhead issue. No one should have to pay Case Labs or Lian Li or Win D prices in order to have some company to put proper spacing where spacing should be. Or how about shifting the vent/fan mount at the bottom more towards the front so any PSU cables do not restrict the air flow? There's plenty of room as the front pump /res mount is unaffected.

Checked your picture, mine ended up better than yours. The problem was that I wasn't going for a professional exhibition look. I was just trying to fit every thing in! Fortunately I don't have many cable leads. Motherboard/CPU/two PCI E, two sata/molex and that's it.
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