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The things I found fault with are simply over sights, not a materials /cost/overhead issue. No one should have to pay Case Labs or Lian Li or Win D prices in order to have some company to put proper spacing where spacing should be. Or how about shifting the vent/fan mount at the bottom more towards the front so any PSU cables do not restrict the air flow? There's plenty of room as the front pump /res mount is unaffected.

Checked your picture, mine ended up better than yours. The problem was that I wasn't going for a professional exhibition look. I was just trying to fit every thing in! Fortunately I don't have many cable leads. Motherboard/CPU/two PCI E, two sata/molex and that's it.

Lets us see some pictures then. It sure would clearly show your points better than words.
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Ok transplanted system to the Define S...what a nightmare job this was.

Where to start :

  • Overall cable management isn't nice. They haven't really channelled the prewired case cables and the back doesn't have much space. The front however seems to have over an inch of unused space leading to the side panel. It would have been better used in the rear.
  • You're going to have to get creative, lucky and show some ingenuity in order to keep the majority of the floor vent/fan from being obstructed by cables.
  • The spacing behind the 3.5" drives is insufficient. You cannot use L shaped SATA data cables and/or some SATA power leads because of their cable size.
  • The spacing behind the 2.5" drives is insufficient. You cannot use L shaped SATA data cables.
  • The angled grommet(s) is positioned too close to the motherboard. You cannot use L shaped SATA data cables.
  • The lack of any fan screws is disappointing.
  • The Velcro straps are not stitched to themselves meaning they can't be sinched tight properly, or they come loose too easily.
  • The case cables are not sheathed in any way.
  • The top moduvent panels are plastic (not metal like the rest of the case top) in case any potential buyers were wondering. The pads do block some of the noise, though tapping the plastic reveals a hollow sound.
  • The bottom floor flexes extremely easily. A gentle push with your index finger and it pops back and forth. This is exacerbated by the loose fitted air filter underneath which rattles easily.
  • The PSU mounting spot isn't particularly high off the floor of the case and it's four little pads which are thin and unimpressive. Logan said the same thing about the Define series - it's like someone just half heartedly plopped down some spare sticky pads that were lying around. It does however have a rubber strip around the PSU frame when mounted.
  • Overall the metal is cheap feeling and the front panel is literally a piece of plastic. It does zero to block noise. I suspect some Define S owners have removed it for better air intake, because why not, it serves no purpose otherwise.




It took me almost three hours, between fighting with cables, positioning things, running around frantically going through boxes looking for all straight SATA data cables and general fittings as everything was tight. The previous CM5 case took about forty minutes, including cable management.

For someone who likes to be in and out of their case a lot, this was a very telling exercise.

Interesting. I already knew about the L shaped sata cables not fitting but luckily I don't have any of those lol. Tonight I will be putting out my mini review of the fractal define design S. Coming from a haf 912 it was a huge improvment in terms of air flow and such. I do agree with you about the bottom floor flexing. But it's not really a problem for me. Everything else about the case is very thought out though. Fractal and phanteks are probably the 2 best case company's for your average user.

Here is a sneak peek biggrin.gif

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Originally Posted by brazilianloser View Post

Lets us see some pictures then. It sure would clearly show your points better than words.

Sure, will take a picture in the morning with some natural light.
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Interesting. I already knew about the L shaped sata cables not fitting but luckily I don't have any of those lol. Tonight I will be putting out my mini review of the fractal define design S. Coming from a haf 912 it was a huge improvment in terms of air flow and such. I do agree with you about the bottom floor flexing. But it's not really a problem for me. Everything else about the case is very thought out though. Fractal and phanteks are probably the 2 best case company's for your average user.

Here is a sneak peek biggrin.gif


Well, if your average user is capable of some serious cable management, and a high tolerance for frustration then ya.. I guess so smile.gif
Edited by Hollywood - 12/11/15 at 4:14pm
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I think their quality is also based off pricing. Comparing a fractal and a lian li isn't really fair as the lian li is way more expensive on the whole.

I don't have any experience with the define line of cases but I do have an arc mini r2 and have nothing but great things to say about it. Very solid. Not a lot of flex in the case. Plenty of room in the rear for cable management.

Really not fair to compare an $80 case to a ~$200 case.

I'm thinking about moving to a different case myself but more for a change of pace than any real dissatisfaction with the arc mini.
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Agreed, the quality is noticeable ..as I said, even between the Define S and the CM5 is like night and day. However with the CM5, you are paying for quality and part of the 'modular' premium. I don't feel as I'm paying CM the difference in cost, for them being more intelligent about the practical features of their product.
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I am quite happy how this turned out. Though, I wish the side panel window on the Define R5 were a tad bigger.
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Hey guys. I'm in the market for a Define S and planning to watercool. Does anyone have experience cramming two 360's or a 360 and 280 in there? I'm wondering what thickness and such too and would love some reference ideas before I begin my build!

KG
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Originally Posted by kooziguy View Post

Hey guys. I'm in the market for a Define S and planning to watercool. Does anyone have experience cramming two 360's or a 360 and 280 in there? I'm wondering what thickness and such too and would love some reference ideas before I begin my build!

KG
Well I don't own a Define S but I do have a Define R5 and I have an EKWB Predator 360 in the top which is 68mm thick with the fans so you could go with a 45mm thick 360 in the top and in the front I would go with a 280mm but I'm not sure about the thickness.
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How about this http://www.demcifilter.com/p0564/Fractal-Design-R5-3-Vent-Top-Dust-Filter.aspx for a top filter on the design s? People on reddit says it should fit the design S, anyone confirm? Really want to add another 240/360 to my loop to go along with my monsta 360.

Here's some potato quality pics of my pc cause why not biggrin.gif


My shoddly made psu cover haha, looks fine through the window though thumb.gif
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Lets us see some pictures then. It sure would clearly show your points better than words.

No zip ties, no special cables - just whatever came in the box.




Edited by Hollywood - 12/12/15 at 8:29am
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