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post #14121 of 16063
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Originally Posted by Dreamliner View Post

Silence is a fallacy of water. Components still generate the same heat which requires dissipation with fans. I promise an air rig can be just as quiet as water. I have 8 140mm fans and its silent. I can hear my hard drives over my fans.

Water sure is pretty though, especially the custom stuff. Some of the rigs in here are beautiful! thumb.gif

It's not about the amount of heat that needs dissipation, its about how well water cooled rigs dissipate it.
post #14122 of 16063
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Originally Posted by krutoydiesel View Post

It's not about the amount of heat that needs dissipation, its about how well water cooled rigs dissipate it.

I don't think anyone is going to argue that air cooled rigs can perform as well as a water cooled rig. Or is that your stance?
post #14123 of 16063
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Originally Posted by delslow View Post

I don't think anyone is going to argue that air cooled rigs can perform as well as a water cooled rig. Or is that your stance?

My stance is watercooled is generally quieter and has lower temps at load, hence it's the king of cooling.
post #14124 of 16063
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Originally Posted by delslow View Post

I don't think anyone is going to argue that air cooled rigs can perform as well as a water cooled rig. Or is that your stance?
My stance is dollar for dollar, air is better. My 5820k is at 4.5Ghz and its not limited by heat problems. Most people water cool to OC graphics but I still maintain that water money is better spent on better hardware. A GTX970 on water vs a GTX980 on air. Which would you pick?
post #14125 of 16063
Quietly aircooling your top GPU or SLI rig.. priceless rolleyes.gif

Edited by 44TZL - 5/13/16 at 7:35pm
     
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post #14126 of 16063
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Originally Posted by 44TZL View Post

Quietely aircooling your top GPU or SLI rig.. priceless rolleyes.gif
No no, that's impossible. Water is the only way. tongue.gif

Dat sag doe...eek.gif
post #14127 of 16063
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Originally Posted by Dreamliner View Post

My stance is dollar for dollar, air is better. My 5820k is at 4.5Ghz and its not limited by heat problems. Most people water cool to OC graphics but I still maintain that water money is better spent on better hardware. A GTX970 on water vs a GTX980 on air. Which would you pick?
The dollar argument only works well if you conveniently forget the price of all your case fans... 8 you said? That would be close to buying two AIOs and not needing any case fans. And it would be quieter under load with the GPU watercooled.

Custom loops.. different story biggrin.gif
     
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Aquaero 5LT pump/fan controller & sensors Hardware Labs GTS 240 Radiator EK D5+140 Pump/Reservoir EK Supremacy EVO CPU waterblock 
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3 x EK Vardar F1 140mm fans 4 x EK Vardar F1 120mm fans EK PETG 10/12mm Hardtubing Aquaero LT6 Pump/Fan controller 
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post #14128 of 16063
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Originally Posted by 44TZL View Post

The dollar argument only works well if you conveniently forget the price of all your case fans... 8 you said? That would be close to buying two AIOs and not needing any case fans. And it would be quieter under load with the GPU watercooled.

Custom loops.. different story biggrin.gif
AIO's are a great value and I've considered them but they usually don't include cooling for the memory chips, so don't forget those.

I'm just too concerned about leaks.

There's also a chart that compared lots of coolers including AIO's and HSF's at a specific wattage on a metal slab and reports dB and temps. I'll have to find it but AIO's were not at the top.

Custom loops are ludicrously expensive and I'd way rather put that money into better gear.
Edited by Dreamliner - 5/13/16 at 8:25pm
post #14129 of 16063
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Originally Posted by delslow View Post

Will there be a build log? I am very interested in your take.
Yes will start one once I've got all the components (in about a week I'd say). Any things you'd like to see in particular?
     
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EK 1080 full cover waterblock EK Connectors Hardware Labs GTS 360 Radiator Hardware Labs XFlow 420 Radiator 
CoolingCoolingCoolingCooling
3 x EK Vardar F1 140mm fans 4 x EK Vardar F1 120mm fans EK PETG 10/12mm Hardtubing Aquaero LT6 Pump/Fan controller 
CoolingCoolingCoolingOS
Aquaero MPS Flow 100 flow sensor 2x Aquaero inline temperature sensors EK GA AX370 RGB monoblock Windows 10 
MonitorKeyboardPowerCase
Asus PG279Q 1440p 165Hz 27" Monitor Corsair K70 RGB Corsair RM550x In Win 303 - white 
MouseMouse PadAudioAudio
Zowie FK2 Zowie P-SR or Razer Manticore Arcam rPAC DAC Adam A5X Monitor Speakers 
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Oculus Rift + Touch 
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Samsung 840 EVO 250Gb Seagate Barracuda 1TB 7200RPM 2x EK 120mm Vardar F1 (radiator) fans 2x 140mm Silent Wings 3 (case) fans 
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Aquaero 5LT pump/fan controller & sensors Hardware Labs GTS 240 Radiator EK D5+140 Pump/Reservoir EK Supremacy EVO CPU waterblock 
CoolingCoolingOSKeyboard
EK Thermosphere Generic GPU waterblock EK Duraclear tubing & fittings Windows 10 Logitech K400 Plus Wireless Keyboard 
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Samsung 950 Pro 256Mb Samsung 850 EVO 1Tb Samsung 850 EVO 500Mb EK D5 Pump / Resevoir  
CoolingCoolingCoolingCooling
EK 1080 full cover waterblock EK Connectors Hardware Labs GTS 360 Radiator Hardware Labs XFlow 420 Radiator 
CoolingCoolingCoolingCooling
3 x EK Vardar F1 140mm fans 4 x EK Vardar F1 120mm fans EK PETG 10/12mm Hardtubing Aquaero LT6 Pump/Fan controller 
CoolingCoolingCoolingOS
Aquaero MPS Flow 100 flow sensor 2x Aquaero inline temperature sensors EK GA AX370 RGB monoblock Windows 10 
MonitorKeyboardPowerCase
Asus PG279Q 1440p 165Hz 27" Monitor Corsair K70 RGB Corsair RM550x In Win 303 - white 
MouseMouse PadAudioAudio
Zowie FK2 Zowie P-SR or Razer Manticore Arcam rPAC DAC Adam A5X Monitor Speakers 
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Oculus Rift + Touch 
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Samsung 840 EVO 250Gb Seagate Barracuda 1TB 7200RPM 2x EK 120mm Vardar F1 (radiator) fans 2x 140mm Silent Wings 3 (case) fans 
CoolingCoolingCoolingCooling
Aquaero 5LT pump/fan controller & sensors Hardware Labs GTS 240 Radiator EK D5+140 Pump/Reservoir EK Supremacy EVO CPU waterblock 
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EK Thermosphere Generic GPU waterblock EK Duraclear tubing & fittings Windows 10 Logitech K400 Plus Wireless Keyboard 
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post #14130 of 16063
Hi, I'm looking for some info on the Fractal Design Nano S case.
I wanted to know if I could mount a 120mm fan on the bottom of the case in front of the psu, if I used the bracket to mount a HDD vertically beside the motherboard.

Also, I was wondering how you guys solved the problem of the moduvent opening the case for dust. Should I simply leave it on?
I was planning on using this setup:

Would the airflow be sufficent, or am I forced to open up the top to dust to install one or two 120mm fans?
Thank you.
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