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Rad on the outside of the case, drill some holes into the facia fans on the inside of the case is my plan for my 420 up top and my 360 on the front. biggrin.gif
Nice idea...post some pics when you're doing that!

Like this??



Personally...after having gone 140mm (420 top, 280 bottom)... can't go back to those miniature fans biggrin.gif
     
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Nice idea...post some pics when you're doing that!

Personally...after having gone 140mm (420 top, 280 bottom)... can't go back to those miniature fans biggrin.gif
Me neither, 140mm everywhere except the damn GPUs that still are stuck with 100mm fans tongue.gif I don't know why they don't just whack on it 2x120mm instead of 2-3x 100m high speed fans. I guess the thickness would be 3 slot minimum... :/

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Mesh comparison, Fractal Design Define R4 front and bottom filter compared with a stainless steel #200 mesh 99 micron aperture 28 micron wire from themeshcompany.
Ordered via eBay, wanted an A2 sheet but having to exchange 1 message per day and waiting over weekend, lets say I got tired on Monday and just ordered the A3 single sheet, they did offer me afterwards a cheaper shipped A2 sheet but I've already had my order done and paid and they didn't modify it so I could pay them for the A2. Nonetheless they give some extra sheet I think at random or what ever they have at hand with every order at least on eBay, what I got is two A3 sheet, none marked with mesh number so at first I was like damn it which one is #200 and the other possibly #270? Well close examination of their structure and cut revealed they are the same mesh 290x850mm cut into two 290x425mm pieces. Too bad it's not the 300mm it should be but I got two so it should be fine and I can decide how to best replace the stock FD R4 filter mesh.



This is a macro shot (flashlight, white paper, mesh, camera on top of it with 0cm focus) of the meshes, parameters calculated from PS measurements and verified with a hand held ruler.
The front #33 filter is OKish but still nothing extraordinary and lets in dust, what is especially bad on the R4 is the bottom filter that has too low mesh number and lets in way too much dust.
From what I remember but can't find anymore the demciflex filters are about #100-#200 mesh, plastic in two colors, no idea who makes the mesh or they make it themselves, I've tried to find any mesh and no one makes this fine and very open plastic mesh. No idea how much open area the demci filters have either but I would say metal mesh can be made with thinner wires than plastic/nylon/whatever synthetic.

Themeshcompany makes stainlessteel meshes from stuff to put on grills, from #1 down to #500. The #200 is the most open area mesh I could find anywhere it does block air pressure more than the stock meshes when I blow on it but numbers wise it's as open as the horrible bottom filter while having a whole order better filtering. It's stainless steel = conductive, I checked.

I'm not sure the filter will melt into the plastic frames since it's so fine, will see. Otherwise I'm gonna have to sew it on or something. Ideas? How would you attach a metal filter/replace the stock plastic mesh on FD plastic filter frames? Anyone knows some glue that would work? I'm in EU so I won't know what fancy American glue you mean, try to be generic wink.gif
Edited by JackCY - 5/30/16 at 9:38am
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Just finished with the latest cooling upgrade. Went from a dcp 2.2 and 480mm of rad, to a D5 with 720mm of rad. Nothing compared to some of the builds in this post, but it isnt too bad.

Define S








Edited by MartinH - 5/30/16 at 4:39pm
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Me neither, 140mm everywhere except the damn GPUs that still are stuck with 100mm fans tongue.gif I don't know why they don't just whack on it 2x120mm instead of 2-3x 100m high speed fans. I guess the thickness would be 3 slot minimum... :/

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Themeshcompany makes stainlessteel meshes from stuff to put on grills, from #1 down to #500. The #200 is the most open area mesh I could find anywhere it does block air pressure more than the stock meshes when I blow on it but numbers wise it's as open as the horrible bottom filter while having a whole order better filtering. It's stainless steel = conductive, I checked.

I'm not sure the filter will melt into the plastic frames since it's so fine, will see. Otherwise I'm gonna have to sew it on or something. Ideas? How would you attach a metal filter/replace the stock plastic mesh on FD plastic filter frames? Anyone knows some glue that would work? I'm in EU so I won't know what fancy American glue you mean, try to be generic wink.gif

Great post thank you. Was wondering about good looking meshes, although not for dust reasons but the mesh company is a great find.

That said, I do like the option of having a fine, but open mesh though. I'll need to do some testing with that because until now I found all meshes impeding airflow a lot (so for now, I'll just vacuum my case from time to time). Decmi btw is still available here (just don't like their ugly edges).

As for the the glue I don't think it would be too critical since the contact area is fairly large. Also couple of points with glue from a glue gun would work (and is removable too): put the nozzle on the side then squeeze it in.
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Just finished with the latest cooling upgrade. Went from a dcp 2.2 and 480mm of rad, to a D5 with 720mm of rad. Nothing compared to some of the builds in this post, but it isnt too bad.

Like it! Most builds run the top rad with the connector bits at the back which gives such a tubing mess.. this is quite clean, keeping it all at the front.
     
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With a coarse mesh the mesh would absorb the glue, plastic etc. and melt together but I'm not sure this fine mesh is gonna bond well, will see, I'm gonna test some pieces soon. I have a hot glue gun will give that a try too. Demci is all nice and dandy but all they do is magnetic filters with huge edges. Dunno why they don't 3D print hard edged filters, I would do that if I had a 3D printer, just print a frame, put the mesh over it and print the rest over the mesh so it all melts together. The stock meshes are melted together too.

This is their eBay. And web. Ebay has limited assortment, web has it all, prices differ so check both. Web has free UK delivery... Getting larger sizes in one piece internationally gets costy because of big package. My A3 sheets were not rolled or folded, it was a flat A3 package. They have some 60-64% open area meshes around #100. The #200 is the finest you can get from them that is above 60% open area, it's like silk biggrin.gif
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Nice idea...post some pics when you're doing that!

Like this??



Personally...after having gone 140mm (420 top, 280 bottom)... can't go back to those miniature fans biggrin.gif

I want as much rad space as possible to get me as close to 5ghz as possible regardless of voltage, so long as I can keep the heat down on my 4670k practice/sacrifice chip ready for the real deal which will be either a skylake build or an x99 or whatever the new extreme chips come to.
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Just finished with the latest cooling upgrade. Went from a dcp 2.2 and 480mm of rad, to a D5 with 720mm of rad. Nothing compared to some of the builds in this post, but it isnt too bad.

Define S Warning: Spoiler! (Click to show)







Oooooh, blue just like my gf's rig.



If you have a Vario D5 check out my thumbscrew mod, make life easy.
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Like it! Most builds run the top rad with the connector bits at the back which gives such a tubing mess.. this is quite clean, keeping it all at the front.
Thank you! I used to have the connectors in the back, but thought it looked better in the front.

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Oooooh, blue just like my gf's rig.
If you have a Vario D5 check out my thumbscrew mod, make life easy.


Nothing wrong with some blue cooling biggrin.gif
Its a D5 PWM. Where do you use those thumbscrews?
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Out of curiosity are there any Define R4s with the GPU mounted on the vertical PCI bracket?
    
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You can do that with a single slot card and a raiser.

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The fine mesh #200 melts perfectly into the plastic, invisible just soaks into it, super strong bond. Cut the original plastic mesh out, finishing tomorrow and melt the new stainless steel mesh into the plastic frames.
Edited by JackCY - 5/31/16 at 1:22pm
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