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Well the TDPs advertised by Intel and AMD are both IMHO just guidelines and they are not enforced, so under full load of some crazy app/test/bench the TDP goes much higher. On Intel the default values are set to like 1000W for the power limits, dunno if that is only for K series on Z chips but I would guess it's on all.
65W it may be but if you get total 200W+ of heat inside the case it takes some cooling to dissipate and vent all that.

Maybe it's some setting for the APU, in which case the AMD CPU threads are a better help.
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In theory yes, but it's compartmentalized, and there is decent ventilation in the holes drilled next to the GPU. Also, the CPU area has ventilation on the right (or top if vertically mounted) and directly over the CPU for intake.

I haven't ruled anything out, and not being argumentative, just pointing out that with the stock cooler on it, the throttling wasn't evident, but the lid wouldn't fit, so that it's hard to say scientifically if it is "trapped hot air" or just a better cooler overall (with a better fan.)

So, having said that, I put in a 92x25mm fan.It's the "Arctic F9" for anyone wondering. I will test that and see if I get any better results.

Thanks for input.
True, but remember this is a 65W part, not the 95W that is typical with AMD today. So, in theory, there should be less heat to dissipate.

The room is relatively cool (central air at 71 Fahrenheit.) I don't have the case cooped up in a closed off area.

Should be able to say definitively whether or not I can make this work later on today after some more testing.

Well in my case same CPU FX 6400 4.5GHz was around 45-50C while i7 3770 iis getting around 70C with same cooler....

I have also noticed that with INTEL CPU I do get more problems...
Edited by Themisseble - 6/17/16 at 11:46am
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Well in my case same CPU FX 6400 4.5GHz was around 45-50C while i7 3770 iis getting around 70C with same cooler....

I have also noticed that with INTEL CPU I do get more problems...

How are you reading the temps? Thermal Margin is what I'm going off of, considering most of the well known utilities get AMD backwards.
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Well the TDPs advertised by Intel and AMD are both IMHO just guidelines and they are not enforced, so under full load of some crazy app/test/bench the TDP goes much higher. On Intel the default values are set to like 1000W for the power limits, dunno if that is only for K series on Z chips but I would guess it's on all.
65W it may be but if you get total 200W+ of heat inside the case it takes some cooling to dissipate and vent all that.

Maybe it's some setting for the APU, in which case the AMD CPU threads are a better help.

So the other day, I reapplied thermal grease. EDIT: It didn't help.

Today I put the replacement fan on the cooler. So far, so good. I played Overwatch at 900p / Ultra for about 30 minutes with Overdrive running, logging the thermal margins for all four cores. Never got closer than 37 degrees to max temp. Average was high 40s (again, distance to max temp.) The GPU will stay around 70 with default settings. Performance stayed at 59.9 fps (I'm playing on a 1080p television in the den.)

If I use something like Speedfan and set a desired temp of 50 on GPU, it will achieve that with a higher fan RPM. I am avoiding "desired temp" on the APU considering it might get it wrong, based on what I've seen with third party utilities reading the CPU package temp, or getting the temp backwards (needs to be distance from max, or thermal margin, which is sometimes interpreted as the actual temperature by apps such as HWMonitor.)
Edited by mypickaxe - 6/17/16 at 1:09pm
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@mypickaxe: Sorry about my advice earlier - it seems the Node 202 itself is the culprit. Am in the process myself to build an HTPC and was just reading reviews that included thermal testing of potential cases. Have a read of Anandtech's review of the Node 202. Much a similar story with the 605. I'd say it would be worth having a look at Silverstone htpc cases (GD, ML and even Raven series) instead - they come out much better in thermal testing.
     
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I love the design of the Node 202, but the CPU cooler size limitation was a major turn off for me. I went with the SilverStone ML07B and I'm happy with its quality, and it was cheaper.
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@mypickaxe: Sorry about my advice earlier - it seems the Node 202 itself is the culprit. Am in the process myself to build an HTPC and was just reading reviews that included thermal testing of potential cases. Have a read of Anandtech's review of the Node 202. Much a similar story with the 605. I'd say it would be worth having a look at Silverstone htpc cases (GD, ML and even Raven series) instead - they come out much better in thermal testing.

Not a problem, really. For now I will live with what I have, the fan has improved it enough that I'm going to live with it for the time being.
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So I put my mobo in my new Define S and after I got it all screwed in I noticed the tabs on the IO shield were blocking some ports. So I took the screws out and go to lift the motherboard out but the black knob in the middle of the case seems to be stuck inside one of the holes on the mobo and is stuck. Any advice? mad.gif
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So I put my mobo in my new Define S and after I got it all screwed in I noticed the tabs on the IO shield were blocking some ports. So I took the screws out and go to lift the motherboard out but the black knob in the middle of the case seems to be stuck inside one of the holes on the mobo and is stuck. Any advice? mad.gif

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Not sure if motherboard headers are going bad of if the USB case ports are... Either way most likely the case ports. Case is barely a year old. Define S
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