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How do those spinny things tell you anything?
They can do the same count for you - in the same way you mobo or fan controller counts the fan revolutions. Bitspower has one and aquacomputer has several models. I'm pretty sure the aquacomputer + aquaero controller will give you very accurate flowrate readings.

In any case.. in experimenting I've seen very little influence on cooling performance from varying flowrates. I think it comes more into play with highly restrictive loops, such as having multiple GPU blocks in series.

I won't be installing one.. I just got temperature sensor at the start and end of my loop to check the water temperature compared to the ambient temperatue. That deltaT controls the fans which makes the biggest difference in cooling performance by a mile or so.
Edited by 44TZL - 6/20/16 at 8:48pm
     
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Also I really like the idea of the Xflow model of the GTS lineup, would like to see that option available on other models aswell, but I havent really seen any rolleyes.gif
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Also I really like the idea of the Xflow model of the GTS lineup, would like to see that option available on other models aswell, but I havent really seen any rolleyes.gif

I've only seen alphacool nexxxos with the same xflow setup. No other models in the HWLabs line up seem to have it.

I found it nice how it helped to minimise the amount of tubing that runs in my setup... and that it has less flow-restriction compared to the GTS.
Here's my routing which runs anti-clockwise (hidden 280 at the bottom)
     
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What's the deal with xflow performing worse vs GTS tho?
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Originally Posted by delslow View Post

How do those spinny things tell you anything?
They rotate at some speed = time and they have a fixed volume = volume, that gives you volume/time. It's a flow meter. I'm no WC expert but I can find some spinning meters that are digital or have an analog see through spinning thingy and a digital signal out. They can connect to your fan controller to read the flow rate.
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What's the deal with xflow performing worse vs GTS tho?
Its a bit odd the numbers from xtreme rigs.. look at the difference between GTS and XFlow in the results from 360 and 280 rad.. Perhaps that's the 120/140 difference .. don't know.
Here as 280 rad, the Xflow performs better...

And at 360 the GTS completely stands out at low fan speeds..(other rads are thin ones only in this graph)


Regardless they'll both be amongst the best performing rads at lower fans speeds - and fit the Define (since we're in that thread biggrin.gif )
     
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post #14337 of 16067
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Originally Posted by JackCY View Post

They rotate at some speed = time and they have a fixed volume = volume, that gives you volume/time. It's a flow meter. I'm no WC expert but I can find some spinning meters that are digital or have an analog see through spinning thingy and a digital signal out. They can connect to your fan controller to read the flow rate.

That doesn't give you a true flow rate. It gives you how many times the rotor spins per minute. Depending on the diameter of the tubing, this flowrate can be anything! 3,000 RPM with 10mm tubing vs. 3,000 RPM with 15mm tubing is going to give you very different numbers. I've seen some models that do this conversion for you, but a spinny wheel that reads off fan RPM isn't going to give you true GPM. You can get relative readings tho.
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A meter with 10mm tubing and the same meter with 100000mm tubing will read the same flow rate, why? Because the size of the meter is constant, the same meter was used. Yeah sure they aren't scientifically accurate or good enough to bill someone on the water used but the principle is the same.
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Question about Define R5 fan controller: Is it capable of controlling more than 3 fans if I use adapters like this:



I want to control at least 4 fans, or better 5. I ordered separate fan controller but since my Sigma Pro fans are basically inaudible even in total silence during night, even if I am crazy about sounds and have crazy sensitive hearing, I cannot really justify spending equivalent to 5 fans on separate fan controller, default one would be enough, but for this plan to work R5 fan controller needs to be capable of controlling and powering more than 3 fans. I want the to work only on 5V, if it is important. 
Edited by Krzych04650 - 6/21/16 at 5:39pm
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Question about Define R5 fan controller: Is it capable of controlling more than 3 fans if I use adapters like this:
I want to control at least 4 fans, or better 5. I ordered separate fan controller but since my Sigma Pro fans are basically inaudible even in total silence during night, and I crazy about sounds and have crazy sensitive hearing, I cannot really justify spending equivalent to 5 fans on separate fan controller, default one would be enough, but for this plan to work R5 fan controller needs to be capable of controlling and powering more than 3 fans.

The SATA power connector (that is used to power the fan controller on the R5) can provide up to 1.5 A. As long as you don't exceed this you'll be fine. Most 120 mm case fans aren't going to pull more than .25 A so you should be okay using up to six fans. Check the specs on the fans you are using though.
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