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Unfortunately what silent means for PC parts makers has so far only gotten up to sticking a bitumen on the side panel and covering the fan slots when empty, at best covering the front fan intake with a door which helps a lot.

For me... I've added STP silver on big parts of the case that had nothing on it, top, bottom, 5.25 bay since I didn't want to remove it. Cut out all the fan grills to remove air obstructions and removed the front fan "trap door" and cut out any unnecessary obstructions again. In the end remade the fan filters with proper mesh. Of course whole case is raised by an inch thick rubber so the bottom intake actually works and isn't starved.

You could really just get the Core case and mod it but I'm not sure if they have open enough front intake, it seems to be much more closed than on Define.

They have made some nice changes on the R5 but didn't bring them all to Define S...
S is sort of a hybrid of R4 and R5.

Right now the R5 is the most modern designed, has the bottom fan filter removable from front so you don't need to mod it like on R4,S, probably every other FD case. Still you gotta cut the the stupid stamped fan grills. And you can't fit large EATX in R5 and S anymore... not without cutting space for them.
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Thanks for answer. Can I somehow make this controller work on Off-5V-7V instead of 5V-7V-12V?
I'd consider getting a fan controller. I ran for quite some time with the Grid V2 fan controller and having 6 channels & 30W of full voltage curve control extra, makes it a lot easier to get a quieter setup - for not much money. The nice thing with that is that you can also run the case fans of the GPU temps.. which is what you want as long as you're running aircooled videocards.

As soon as you run a custom loop.. there's the Aquaero pump/fan/led controllers (it has it's own forum thread on OCN with great people on it).. it blows anything out the water biggrin.gif
     
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As soon as you run a custom loop.. there's the Aquaero pump/fan/led controllers (it has it's own forum thread on OCN with great people on it).. it blows anything out the water biggrin.gif

Including your wallet. The Aquaero is a nice bit of kit but is seriously overpriced. I manage the same thing with a $50 Corsair Link Commander. Just don't use Corsair's software, it sucks. Using SIV I am able to set up my own fan/pump curves based on any temp sensor in the system. It has six fan channels and four temp sensor channels as well as a single LED channel. The Lighting could use some work, I'll give you that. But it can't be beat for the price.
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I'd consider getting a fan controller. I ran for quite some time with the Grid V2 fan controller and having 6 channels & 30W of full voltage curve control extra, makes it a lot easier to get a quieter setup - for not much money. The nice thing with that is that you can also run the case fans of the GPU temps.. which is what you want as long as you're running aircooled videocards.

As soon as you run a custom loop.. there's the Aquaero pump/fan/led controllers (it has it's own forum thread on OCN with great people on it).. it blows anything out the water biggrin.gif

I ordered separate fan controller before, but since I have fans that are barely audible at night in total silence when they are at 5V, and since Define R5 fan controller is able to control more than 3 fans, I didn't find any reason to spend equivalent of 5 fans or 128 GB SSD on separate fan controller. I already spent enough for this case and replacing fans in it, which is overall not a ultra huge improvement over my previous case, and I could easily get 512GB SSD for all of this money.

I want only 5V and Off, I don't plan to increase fan speeds. I have very sensitive hearing and all fans I tested, even those 3 times more expensive than my current ones, are starting to rattle quite a lot beyond 5V, so all of this controlling by temperature is useless to me.

One disadvantage of my current system with this Define R5 controller is that it cannot turn fans off, this is why I ask about it. This is not a big problem since it is hard to hear them, but I am used to have fans off and total silence outside of games.

At the end I could just buy SATA cable extension for fan controller to bring it outside of a case, connect second SATA cable to my PSU and also bring this cable outside of my case and connect and disconnect fan controller manually, not a problem for me at all.
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And you can't fit large EATX in R5 and S anymore... not without cutting space for them.
Yeah, I don't get that. It's really just a 'few' millimeters (a bit more than a few really--see below) added to the motherboard tray to be able to support some of the (so called) E-ATX motherboards--widths up to 272mm (which are not true E-ATX with a width of 330mm).

For those interested...

ATX is short for: Advanced Technology eXtended

I could not find a reliable source that gives the words for the acronym E-ATX, but it's probably safe to assume it stands for: Extended-Advanced Technology eXtended

According to a Wiki article (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ATX), the following variations of the E-ATX standard are used by some motherboard manufacturers.

Note that I have come up with the nomenclature of '-W#' added to the to the ATX acronym to indicated the 4 derivations of the extended ATX width in use at this time by motherboard manufacturers (according to the above mentioned article).

  • ATX: 12 × 9.6 in (305 × 244 mm)
  • ATX-W1: 12 × 10.1 in (305 × 257 mm)
  • ATX-W2: 12 × 10.4 in (305 × 264 mm)
  • ATX-W3: 12 × 10.5 in (305 × 267 mm)
  • ATX-W4: 12 × 10.7 in (305 × 272 mm)
  • E-ATX: 12 × 13 in (305 × 330 mm)

Looking at the above list, we can see that only the width of the motherboard changes. The height (12 inches / 305 millimeters) remains constant.

If you'll look at pics of the Fractal Design Define S case, you'll see that the motherboard tray just fits an ATX-sized motherboard (244mm in width). To support the largest of the ATX-W# motherboards (ATX-W4 with a width of 272mm) would require an additional 28mm (1.10236 inches) in width. Taking into consideration the height of the case = 451mm (17.7559 inches), the total increase in size comes out to be 0.14 ft2 (square feet). I'm not a manufacturer, but I'm sure every little extension costs extra. How much extra though, I don't know.

Bottom line for me: Since the ATX-W# motherboards aren't truly E-ATX in size, I'd like it very much if manufacturers would support these boards in their ATX cases. :-)
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Including your wallet. The Aquaero is a nice bit of kit but is seriously overpriced. I manage the same thing with a $50 Corsair Link Commander. Just don't use Corsair's software, it sucks. Using SIV I am able to set up my own fan/pump curves based on any temp sensor in the system. It has six fan channels and four temp sensor channels as well as a single LED channel. The Lighting could use some work, I'll give you that. But it can't be beat for the price.
biggrin.gif I get your sentiment but don't find that with the Aquaero 5LT model.. .. got it for $54 (US) + some shipping. I think the software suite alone is worth it + really nice it doesn't need software to operate.
But yes the full featured ones with the display ... unnecessarily expensive.
     
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I ordered separate fan controller before, but since I have fans that are barely audible at night in total silence when they are at 5V, and since Define R5 fan controller is able to control more than 3 fans, I didn't find any reason to spend equivalent of 5 fans or 128 GB SSD on separate fan controller. I already spent enough for this case and replacing fans in it, which is overall not a ultra huge improvement over my previous case, and I could easily get 512GB SSD for all of this money.

I want only 5V and Off, I don't plan to increase fan speeds. I have very sensitive hearing and all fans I tested, even those 3 times more expensive than my current ones, are starting to rattle quite a lot beyond 5V, so all of this controlling by temperature is useless to me.

One disadvantage of my current system with this Define R5 controller is that it cannot turn fans off, this is why I ask about it. This is not a big problem since it is hard to hear them, but I am used to have fans off and total silence outside of games.

At the end I could just buy SATA cable extension for fan controller to bring it outside of a case, connect second SATA cable to my PSU and also bring this cable outside of my case and connect and disconnect fan controller manually, not a problem for me at all.
Got it. I only mentioned the fan controller because as you said fans have quite some vibration at certain RPM levels which that can avoid. Now I'm not sure what motherboard you're running and what fans.. but what about just splitting the signal from your mobo header? I've ran up to 5 fans simply from 1 mobo header. Low rpm fans like Scythe Glidestreams are cheap, have no vibration and draw very little current - (Noctua redux and A-FLX were considerably worse in noise/vibration). Or is that somehow not an option?
     
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Got it. I only mentioned the fan controller because as you said fans have quite some vibration at certain RPM levels which that can avoid. Now I'm not sure what motherboard you're running and what fans.. but what about just splitting the signal from your mobo header? I've ran up to 5 fans simply from 1 mobo header. Low rpm fans like Scythe Glidestreams are cheap, have no vibration and draw very little current - (Noctua redux and A-FLX were considerably worse in noise/vibration). Or is that somehow not an option?

I have Asus Z97-P motherboard and Silentum PC Sigma Pro 140mm 3pin fans. Software for this mobo is pretty horrible and it also cannot turn off the fans, so not really an improvement over Define fan controller. All I want is option to turn off fans. They could just give this option in Define, my previous 3 times cheaper case had off-low-high control and it was 3x controller, I mean 3 switches, separate control for 2 fans for each switch. I sold it to my brother but he doesn't have any PC yet so I may take controller from my previous case and then create custom 5.25 bay and place this controller there somehow and install in R5(this controller is mounted inside the top of this old case). There are some five 4pin fans in this case that can be controlled from mobo so he won't need this controller and he also won't need fans to be turned off, he is not as sensitive for sounds like me, not at all, actually you can scream next to him while he is sleeping and he won't even move, let alone waking up biggrin.gif I am just afraid that the top of this case is sealed with rivets. And I don't know if low speed for this controller is 5V or 7V. But I will check that out.

I just got those 3pin Y splitters and they are working, now 5 fans are running. I mounted one on the bottom of the case and one on the side panel, and got some cheap dust filter for it, and sound didn't increased too much, only bottom fan is louder than others, I just need to put something below case legs because bottom fans are usually loud because they have very little space below them. Increasing legs height by about 5 cm solved this.
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I have Asus Z97-P motherboard and Silentum PC Sigma Pro 140mm 3pin fans. Software for this mobo is pretty horrible and it also cannot turn off the fans, so not really an improvement over Define fan controller. All I want is option to turn off fans. They could just give this option in Define, my previous 3 times cheaper case had off-low-high control and it was 3x controller, I mean 3 switches, separate control for 2 fans for each switch. I sold it to my brother but he doesn't have any PC yet so I may take controller from my previous case and then create custom 5.25 bay and place this controller there somehow and install in R5(this controller is mounted inside the top of this old case). There are some five 4pin fans in this case that can be controlled from mobo so he won't need this controller and he also won't need fans to be turned off, he is not as sensitive for sounds like me, not at all, actually you can scream next to him while he is sleeping and he won't even move, let alone waking up biggrin.gif I am just afraid that the top of this case is sealed with rivets. And I don't know if low speed for this controller is 5V or 7V. But I will check that out.

I just got those 3pin Y splitters and they are working, now 5 fans are running. I mounted one on the bottom of the case and one on the side panel, and got some cheap dust filter for it, and sound didn't increased too much, only bottom fan is louder than others, I just need to put something below case legs because bottom fans are usually loud because they have very little space below them. Increasing legs height by about 5 cm solved this.
I see that's a pity that the mobo doesn't allow it off and the lowest setting does not get your fans to an inaudibe level (they must be quite high RPM?).

The other thing you could have a look at is to see if you can intercept the GND of your existing fan controller... drill a whole, and put in an extra switch to cut/connect the GND. That would be a cheap small mod.

With my last case (the Nano still in my signature) the pumps noise really annoyed me, especially in the evenings. As a result, this time my build was about quietness.. so I've got only SSDs and a Define S with 140mm EK fans running at 400-500rpm in normal use / idle . The whole system now is inaudible when more than a meter away. At daytime, I can't hear it at all even with it setting right next to me on my desk. 140mm I think is the way to go as they move quite a bit more air than 120mm at a same dBa level. Anyway it's probably not a consideration for you now, but thought I mention it as it's been quite a nice surprise. Somethings get hyped and are still ****ty, other things actually work.
     
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I see that's a pity that the mobo doesn't allow it off and the lowest setting does not get your fans to an inaudibe level (they must be quite high RPM?).

The other thing you could have a look at is to see if you can intercept the GND of your existing fan controller... drill a whole, and put in an extra switch to cut/connect the GND. That would be a cheap small mod.

With my last case (the Nano still in my signature) the pumps noise really annoyed me, especially in the evenings. As a result, this time my build was about quietness.. so I've got only SSDs and a Define S with 140mm EK fans running at 400-500rpm in normal use / idle . The whole system now is inaudible when more than a meter away. At daytime, I can't hear it at all even with it setting right next to me on my desk. 140mm I think is the way to go as they move quite a bit more air than 120mm at a same dBa level. Anyway it's probably not a consideration for you now, but thought I mention it as it's been quite a nice surprise. Somethings get hyped and are still ****ty, other things actually work.

Fans have 400-800 RPM range. But like I said, my hearing is just crazy, few fans even at as low speed as 400 RPM humming in case below my desk is enough to distract me at times. I hate this. Sounds inaudible for others are annoying to me. For example my MSI 980 Ti I sold few weeks ago was whining like crazy for me, while no one from my family was able to hear it and guy who bought this card from me also said that he is not hearing any coil whine, like completely none. Not to mention what happened when I got 980 Ti Hybrid with its pump noise... This is just stupid, there is no advantage of having such sensitive hearing, it is not only useless but also annoying as fcuk.

But after long fight with stupid build of my old case, I was able to get fan controller out, it is working on 5V-OFF-12V, so problem is solved. 7V introduces a lot of rattling so I wouldn't use it anyway. I will mount it to one of those 5.25 covers from Define R5. I have two fans in front, one on the bottom near PSU and one on side panel, so it should be enough intake even at 5V. I plan to get RX480 and then get Vega, so I will just make fans of GPU not to exceed case fans noise levels and I will get my desired nearly silent gaming. And with Vega we will see how hot will it be and how cooling solutions evolve, I am really interested in Raijintek passive water cooling. Sound like dream solution, I wonder what performance it can provide.
Edited by Krzych04650 - 6/23/16 at 4:32pm
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