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Well, thanks to you guys I took the plunge and bought the Define S last night. Replacing all the stock fans with Aerocool DS (red) and all the PCI slot covers with red as well. Looking forward to doing the build, should look really nice once finished.
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Wasn't me that brought it up to be fair hahaha! wink.gif

Oops. Well I guess we all figured out what I was talking about smile.gif
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Here's an interview we did with Fractal last night! biggrin.gif

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Originally Posted by Jyve View Post

I thought the fractal venturi static pressure fans where pretty good. Saw a video review of them that made them look solid to me.

As for the 202 parts. I believe he may have removed them permanently and that's why he's looking for another set. He'll chime in if I'm wrong I'm sure.

The Venturi fans do have pretty good static pressure. Highest of our all our fans actually.
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I have an R4, so an older case with not the latest Fractal fans, but the cheapest (5 USD/4 EUR incl. 21% VAT) fans I could get Gelid Silent 14 have about the same performance airflow and pressure wise but they do not make undesirable noise when mounted horizontally such as case bottom and their motor is quiter with no clicking noise, had I bought more of them I would have swapped the FD R4 fans out. I'm sure there are some nice pressure fans at 12cm but getting decent pressure fans 14cm fans is difficult due to the lower blade speed to keep noise down. Still there are designs that do work (Thermalright, ...).

The front panel openings are small and restrict intake, filters are airflow killers, I don't notice some big fan speed drop but the airflow does go down a lot which is quite normal with filters and it certainly helps to have high pressure fans. All the stamped grills reduce airflow, I cut them out on my R4 first thing after testing them with a fan and how much they block. Filters I've swapped for a #200 mesh with 60.7% open area instead of the stock FD meshes that do not filter fine dust at all, I mean at all. Bottom of the cases is too low, make the feet higher, I have mine raised with rubber and longer screws by 1 inch so the bottom fan can intake air. If someone has a carpet and stock feet, the bottom fan will simply sit right on the carpet.




Summary:
  • Do not use grills, just leave the fan holes completely empty and cut out, if someone needs a protection for a rear fan include the typical wire addon grill which impedes airflow the least from all the grill options and can easily be removed as well.
  • Try to improve the fans so that they do not click, can run at any orientation without issues and added noise, have higher pressure to be able to handle radiators/filters/obstructions in airflow.
  • High case feet to improve bottom intake.
  • I'm sure others would appreciate EATX support for most common boards like R4 had, this is asked here all the time if R5 or S will fit this or that EATX board (X99s currently).
  • Use more fine dust filter mesh, such as #100 mesh instead of the #30ish ones.
  • Always use a front removal for bottom filter, still only R5 has it rest uses the R4 bottom which only allows filter to be removed at the rear, I had to mod my R4 to remove filter at front. Also bigger opening for PSU fan so that even bigger PSUs are not blocked as much.

This is exactly the sort of input we love to see. I'm not sure about doing away with fan grills entirely as it's one of those things a lot of people really just expect to be there. I know if got a case and it just had gaping fan holes on it, I'd assume the maker did it to cheap out rather than tune performance. Still I'd be willing to bet we could find a way to reduce their performance impact if we put our thinking caps on. I totally agree on more EATX support though, especially since several of ATX cases seem so, so close to being able to do it as they are.
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Thank you for reading and taking the time to respond. It's much appreciated.

Well, long story short, I was experimenting with radiator fitment and removed the headers. They were summarily missplaced (i.e. confused for rubbish) and thrown in the bin. So, my hope was I could get a replacement IO panel which would include the USB headers.

As far as length, I'm no stranger to splicing them down to size and resheathing. It was a bit less complicated when everything was but a flat ribbon cable so many years ago, but these are at least flat USB cables, so it can't be too terribly difficult.

As far as the Node 202, I am going to re-purpose it with my AMD gear, making it a streaming box.

I have already moved my latest Mini-ITX build over to the Nano S. It just came in today, and it only took 30 minutes to move everything out of the Node 202 and over to the Nano S. I could not be happier with the temperature improvements!

Not sure why it wasn't offered the first time, but we can totally get you a replacement header assembly on the house if you can cover the shipping. That's no problem at all. Maybe we just randomly happened to be out of the part at the time? If you can either tell me what your ticket# was or pm me your contact info, we can pull everything back up and get it all sorted out quick as a flash.
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I just recently swapped cases out from a Corsair 250D to the Nano S. I tried a Node 202, but it was just a bit too small inside for my ocd cable routing (it all fit, but was very tight with 2x2.5' drives in the bay). I am loving the Nano S. I used the factory fans in both locations, I just have the stock fan on my Water 3.0. It is completely silent even right up next to it. It was fun using an sfx psu to get the look of a full ATX build.

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Originally Posted by Badwrench View Post

I just recently swapped cases out from a Corsair 250D to the Nano S. I tried a Node 202, but it was just a bit too small inside for my ocd cable routing (it all fit, but was very tight with 2x2.5' drives in the bay). I am loving the Nano S. I used the factory fans in both locations, I just have the stock fan on my Water 3.0. It is completely silent even right up next to it. It was fun using an sfx psu to get the look of a full ATX build.


Haha. Very nice. I see what you mean about the sfx psu. Does make it look like an atx system was hit with a shrink ray rather than gear just stuffed into a small case.

Still bummed about the 202 though. Liked what you were doing there.
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This is exactly the sort of input we love to see. I'm not sure about doing away with fan grills entirely as it's one of those things a lot of people really just expect to be there. I know if got a case and it just had gaping fan holes on it, I'd assume the maker did it to cheap out rather than tune performance. Still I'd be willing to bet we could find a way to reduce their performance impact if we put our thinking caps on. I totally agree on more EATX support though, especially since several of ATX cases seem so, so close to being able to do it as they are.

Thank you.
I will take the popular R5 and S as an example for grills as it seems to me to be the most up to date designs.

Front: both have already updated front intake with reduced grills compared to R4, although in the mesh filter you don't need so many horizontal line supports and on S not even so many vertical ones, especially when the supports are thick such as on the R5 filter
Bottom: PSUs come with their own fan grill, there is no need for a grill on the bottom of a case really, no one can even see that and especially not after installing a PSU and a dust filter there, bottom fan and cage area grill can be useful for water coolers and moving cage to different position for those that use drive cages, still even those can be removed and cages screwed in at the 140mm fan holes along the edge, like so, I've kept on my R4 just in case. In progress pictures below.
Warning: Spoiler! (Click to show)

^ Shows the higher feet, front filter removal and cut out bottom grills on R4 but it's still missing the new filter mesh and larger opening on the bottom of the front panel, you wouldn't believe how much air the front fan likes to intake from the bottom of the front panel it really helps with intake to enlarge the holes in front panel.


^ These are older pics, newest to oldest.

My stainless steel mesh #200 filters, no one makes rigid custom filters especially not Demciflex, only option and also the cheaper was to get a decent mesh, I have stainless steel one #200 60.77% open area which should be equal or better to Demciflex, simply cut the original plastic filter out with a hobby knife and then literally soldered the stainless steel filter into the original plastic frames, just melted it into the plastic.


Top: it's more of an aesthetic question, with no fan the holes would be covered by the covers there are on R5/S, when fans are installed they would be completely open with no grill present, on the other hand people like to install custom grills on such visible areas anyway and the restriction from a radiator is already bad enough for the fans, adding spare wire grills would also work for those that want to protect their top fans from mishaps without impeding airflow much
Rear: it is not visible in most use cases and can be left open with no worries, again included spare wire grill should satisfy those that want it protected or visually enhanced

I'm sure wire grills don't have to be the standard ones, you can also design your own that please your design department wink.gif
I remember wire grills being quite common long time ago as it was easier to make a big hole instead of stamping a mesh into sheet metal. Then the machines for stamping got common and everyone started stamping custom stamped grills with huge air restrictions. A shame really.

LED ring, I'm not sure if R5/S has this but I've moded my R4 to have blue and white LED one for power and the other for drive activity. Looks like this:



Personally I have both of these LEDs disabled in UEFI though lachen.gif The white simply blinks when I start the PC and that's it for me, I find LEDs distracting especially blinking.
Edited by JackCY - 7/15/16 at 6:22pm
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Originally Posted by Badwrench View Post

I just recently swapped cases out from a Corsair 250D to the Nano S. I tried a Node 202, but it was just a bit too small inside for my ocd cable routing (it all fit, but was very tight with 2x2.5' drives in the bay). I am loving the Nano S. I used the factory fans in both locations, I just have the stock fan on my Water 3.0. It is completely silent even right up next to it. It was fun using an sfx psu to get the look of a full ATX build.


I really need to do some research on cable extensions. I put a Silverstone SX700-LPT in my Nano S, and the cable management is a mess. The 24-pin and auxiliary CPU power cables aren't long enough to reach behind the case and back through. It's strictly superficial, not functionally impacting me in any way. Temps are great.
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Originally Posted by mypickaxe View Post

I really need to do some research on cable extensions. I put a Silverstone SX700-LPT in my Nano S, and the cable management is a mess. The 24-pin and auxiliary CPU power cables aren't long enough to reach behind the case and back through. It's strictly superficial, not functionally impacting me in any way. Temps are great.

Yeah, I never even thought they would be too short. The extension is from an old build but I still really like the color of it. I had misplaced the 8pin for the cpu, but found it after the build. I had to route the stock 8pin under the bracket end of the gpu and up. It almost completely dissappears, but still bugs me that it isn't routed through the back. Not really an issue since there is a ton of stuff back there: 2.5" and 3.5" drives plus all the sata cables and most of the 24pin and extension.

Loving the temps and lack of sound. thumb.gif
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Still have to say the Nano S is a great case to build in considering its size
     
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