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I built my rig last month using corsair 540 with RGB led strips,RGB fans,RGB aio cooler: http://www.overclock.net/t/1404897/official-corsair-carbide-air-540-owners-club-gallery/12040#post_25272969

Decided to give up rgb led aesthetics and go for silence.
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I have made small test in my Define R5 to see what fan configuration is the best, I will post it here if, maybe it will be useful to someone.

Tests are made with Sapphire R9 390 Nitro at 28% fan speed (1400 RPM) and i5 4690K cooled with Silentum PC Fortis 3 Malik Customs with fan set to 900 RPM. Case fans used are SilentiumPC Sigma Pro 140mm 3-pin 400-800 RPM fans set at 5V, so minimal speed at 400 RPM. Ambient temperature was 23.4-23.6. To stress GPU I used Valley Benchmark, and since Valley is not stressing CPU too much I used CPU-Z "Stess CPU" feature at the same time so both CPU and GPU are stressed at the same time, more than they would in gaming session. Charts are showing temperature measurements for different fan configurations after 10 minutes of stress testing, components were cooled after every test and every test starts from ~30C GPU temp and 31-33C CPU temp.

Edited by Krzych04650 - 7/17/16 at 4:52pm
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Hey fractal R5 owners i got two questions for ya!

From what i can tell a 280mm rad will fit at the top correct? The particular cooler im looking at is the corsair H110i GTX.
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16835181094&nm_mc=AFC-C8Junction&cm_mmc=AFC-C8Junction-PCPartPicker,%20LLC-_-na-_-na-_-na&cm_sp=&AID=10446076&PID=3938566&SID=

Second, anyone have any experience with this filter?:
http://www.demcifilter.com/p0568/Fractal-Design-R5-2-Vent-Top-Dust-Filter.aspx


I definitely want a filter up top this company seems decent, would the "2 vent" be enough to cover the H110i or should i go with the 3 vent cover to be safe?

Does anyone see anything conflictiing with these two parts? I am looking at getting the R5 blackout case with a window or the nzxt H440 still havent made up my mind. But i think this is the setup id do if i went with the R5.

Thanks.
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The NZXT to me seems to have very restricted airflow at front and top, just a tiny in/outtake holes on one side. While their cases do look appealing they always have some major flaw to me.

Standard AIOs fit almost to any case.
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H440 isnt meant for watercooling id put a quality air cooler if i went that route. I just wasnt sure the holes in the R5 support 280mm (some do some dont).
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post #14466 of 16063
You can fit a 420 in R5 top, so a 280 is no problem. The whole top is drilled with a grill and holes for 120 and 140 mounting positions. You can just put it anywhere up top.
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Originally Posted by JackCY View Post

Thank you.
I will take the popular R5 and S as an example for grills as it seems to me to be the most up to date designs.

Front: both have already updated front intake with reduced grills compared to R4, although in the mesh filter you don't need so many horizontal line supports and on S not even so many vertical ones, especially when the supports are thick such as on the R5 filter
Bottom: PSUs come with their own fan grill, there is no need for a grill on the bottom of a case really, no one can even see that and especially not after installing a PSU and a dust filter there, bottom fan and cage area grill can be useful for water coolers and moving cage to different position for those that use drive cages, still even those can be removed and cages screwed in at the 140mm fan holes along the edge, like so, I've kept on my R4 just in case. In progress pictures below.
Warning: Spoiler! (Click to show)

^ Shows the higher feet, front filter removal and cut out bottom grills on R4 but it's still missing the new filter mesh and larger opening on the bottom of the front panel, you wouldn't believe how much air the front fan likes to intake from the bottom of the front panel it really helps with intake to enlarge the holes in front panel.


^ These are older pics, newest to oldest.

My stainless steel mesh #200 filters, no one makes rigid custom filters especially not Demciflex, only option and also the cheaper was to get a decent mesh, I have stainless steel one #200 60.77% open area which should be equal or better to Demciflex, simply cut the original plastic filter out with a hobby knife and then literally soldered the stainless steel filter into the original plastic frames, just melted it into the plastic.


Top: it's more of an aesthetic question, with no fan the holes would be covered by the covers there are on R5/S, when fans are installed they would be completely open with no grill present, on the other hand people like to install custom grills on such visible areas anyway and the restriction from a radiator is already bad enough for the fans, adding spare wire grills would also work for those that want to protect their top fans from mishaps without impeding airflow much
Rear: it is not visible in most use cases and can be left open with no worries, again included spare wire grill should satisfy those that want it protected or visually enhanced

I'm sure wire grills don't have to be the standard ones, you can also design your own that please your design department wink.gif
I remember wire grills being quite common long time ago as it was easier to make a big hole instead of stamping a mesh into sheet metal. Then the machines for stamping got common and everyone started stamping custom stamped grills with huge air restrictions. A shame really.

LED ring, I'm not sure if R5/S has this but I've moded my R4 to have blue and white LED one for power and the other for drive activity. Looks like this:



Personally I have both of these LEDs disabled in UEFI though lachen.gif The white simply blinks when I start the PC and that's it for me, I find LEDs distracting especially blinking.

Thanks for all the input. Wire grills are certainly practical, but they do have a sort of industrial look that may not be for everyone. I'm also very curious to know whether removing all this metal could affect structural integrity or make panels more prone to warping. I'll be really interested to hear whether you notice any such differences once your build is complete.

As for the LED being distracting, that issue has thankfully been solved in the R5 where the brightness was toned down substantially. I think this is something a lot of products could do with personally. I can't tell you how many devices in my house have tape covering up the needless glaring lights. While they're at it they can quit making every appliance in existence chime little jingles when you power them on, too, but that's a totally different rant.
post #14468 of 16063
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Originally Posted by Krzych04650 View Post

I have made small test in my Define R5 to see what fan configuration is the best, I will post it here if, maybe it will be useful to someone.

Tests are made with Sapphire R9 390 Nitro at 28% fan speed (1400 RPM) and i5 4690K cooled with Silentum PC Fortis 3 Malik Customs with fan set to 900 RPM. Case fans used are SilentiumPC Sigma Pro 140mm 3-pin 400-800 RPM fans set at 5V, so minimal speed at 400 RPM. Ambient temperature was 23.4-23.6. To stress GPU I used Valley Benchmark, and since Valley is not stressing CPU too much I used CPU-Z "Stess CPU" feature at the same time so both CPU and GPU are stressed at the same time, more than they would in gaming session. Charts are showing temperature measurements for different fan configurations after 10 minutes of stress testing, components were cooled after every test and every test starts from ~30C GPU temp and 31-33C CPU temp.

This is super useful info. We should start doing benchmarks like these ourselves.

I'm sure a ton of other people would be interested to see this too. You should totally put it out on Reddit somewhere like /r/buildapc.
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Fischer, I have to say it's great to have you here to receive feedback and give your own input.
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Originally Posted by Fractal Design View Post

Thanks for all the input. Wire grills are certainly practical, but they do have a sort of industrial look that may not be for everyone. I'm also very curious to know whether removing all this metal could affect structural integrity or make panels more prone to warping. I'll be really interested to hear whether you notice any such differences once your build is complete.
My build is complete for quite some time 1-2years and I move it up and down from ground to table, etc. Cleaning, changing GPU or when I was cutting the remaining bottom piece to make bottom filter front removal and bigger bottom intake on front panel.

I did not remove the top grills since I do not use them and have them covered from inside with the moduvents aka glorified plastic with open cell foam wink.gif But that top panel is warped in from factory due to the stamped 2x140mm fan grill there, it's slightly convex toward the inside of the case. Probably not a thing anymore on R5/S or not as much, it's quite normal when stamping metal that it warps/enlarges a bit. One probably won't even notice on pictures unless I put a ruler, something truly flat, on top of the case.

As far as sturdiness goes I didn't notice any changes. All the grills are in flat parts that do not contribute much to overall stiffness. The bottom same as top had 2x fan grill hole stamped so that warped/enlarged that piece of metal and I think even before removing the grills it could be "poped" (change between convex and concave surface) in/out when pressed, sure now that only an inch wide piece of metal is left between PSU fan hole and bottom fan hole and with no PSU installed it can easily be poped in/out if I remember right. Otherwise PSU installs fine and sits on on that inch wide piece of metal with a "3M addon feet", just like the case originally has some PSU foam feet, I've added kind of a rubber 3M feet where my larger PSU sits in one corner, which would need to be added irregardless due to the 180mm PSU length.

As long as the corners of the cube/case remain intact and sturdy there is no change to overall stiffness. The rear is stiff too it has many corners in it's shape. If I would have removed the 5.25" bay I might have added a couple of L shaped pieces of metal there instead into the corners just like there are on the bottom I believe but I kept the bay since it made suspending 3.5" HDD easier.

I can try twisting the case with both hands but I don't notice any issues.

You can try taking a flat piece of metal with a grill stamped and a hole cut, as long as it's thick as the sheet metal the case is made of and there is an inch of material around it say 190x190 for a 140x140mm fan or it's bent to create a corner on the edges, it's gonna be sturdy.
Making holes to improve stiffness is used even in racing cars roll cages as it distributes the hotspot and it can withstand more impact. It's not always detrimental to stiffness to make a hole in something.
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As for the LED being distracting, that issue has thankfully been solved in the R5 where the brightness was toned down substantially. I think this is something a lot of products could do with personally. I can't tell you how many devices in my house have tape covering up the needless glaring lights. While they're at it they can quit making every appliance in existence chime little jingles when you power them on, too, but that's a totally different rant.
Yeah same.

The classic wire grills in stainless steel or chrome can be a matter of taste indeed.



On the other hand as suggested there are other options for effective wire grills. Different shapes and colors and mount positions smile.gif



I prefer the Be Quiet shape but having the warped out shape as Corsair and mount it inside between case and fan looks cleaner but is definitely more tricky to manufacture. Having the grill warped out and more far from fan can reduce noise.
Edited by JackCY - 7/18/16 at 11:32am
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