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post #1721 of 15859
I have a Noctua NH-U12P SE2 and have never seen temps above 36C. This is on my sig rig by the way. Would definintly reccomend it.
Edited by Lukegrimbley - 3/5/12 at 11:11am
post #1722 of 15859
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Originally Posted by DarthShader View Post

Don't upgraded cases, suspend your hard drives!
http://www.silentpcreview.com/article8-page2.html
Eventualy, upgrade to cases which allow such trick to be isntalled neatly. biggrin.gif

You can certainly do that, but you shouldn't need to do so. Any drive that vibrates that much has issues IMHO. My Caviar Greens float between 5400 and 7200...and regardless of their speed, you can barely feel anything when touching them. In contrast, the Samsung Spinpoint that I noted in the linked thread vibrated about ten times more than my old 10K RPM Raptor.

You can try to isolate such vibration, but I didn't even want to try. If an HD vibrates that much, I don't want to store my data on it. wink.gif
post #1723 of 15859
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Originally Posted by Scuba Steve in VA View Post

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Originally Posted by DarthShader View Post

Don't upgraded cases, suspend your hard drives!
http://www.silentpcreview.com/article8-page2.html
Eventualy, upgrade to cases which allow such trick to be isntalled neatly. biggrin.gif

You can certainly do that, but you shouldn't need to do so. Any drive that vibrates that much has issues IMHO. My Caviar Greens float between 5400 and 7200...and regardless of their speed, you can barely feel anything when touching them. In contrast, the Samsung Spinpoint that I noted in the linked thread vibrated about ten times more than my old 10K RPM Raptor.

You can try to isolate such vibration, but I didn't even want to try. If an HD vibrates that much, I don't want to store my data on it. wink.gif

You should try a FAEX WD Black 1 TB. That thing is a beast when it comes to speeds, but seeking is super noisy and vibrations are no better.

In my old In-Win Griffin case, screwed directly to the case, you could feel the whole case vibrating, the rubber mounts on the plastic CM690II HDD trays are a life saver, now it's just when it's doing a massive amount of seeking it gets annoying.
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You can fit a H100/240 Rad in the top of an Arc Mini right?
post #1725 of 15859
From their website...you can depending on how thick the rad is
Arc Mini
Support for dual 120mm radiator in top*

- Up to 40mm radiator thickness: Support for most water CPU coolers and larger memory modules.
- Up to 50mm radiator thickness: Support for most water CPU coolers and standard memory modules with a height of max 40mm.
- Up to 70mm radiator thickness: Support for only certain water CPU coolers, depending on the water inlet and outlet. Supports standard memory modules with a height of max 40mm.
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You can fit a H100/240 Rad in the top of an Arc Mini right?

From their website...you can depending on how thick the rad is
Arc Mini
Support for dual 120mm radiator in top*

- Up to 40mm radiator thickness: Support for most water CPU coolers and larger memory modules.
- Up to 50mm radiator thickness: Support for most water CPU coolers and standard memory modules with a height of max 40mm.
- Up to 70mm radiator thickness: Support for only certain water CPU coolers, depending on the water inlet and outlet. Supports standard memory modules with a height of max 40mm.
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post #1727 of 15859
Well, I am officially over the included Fractal Fan Controller....and the fans. mad.gif


My case didn't sound right last night so I turned it off before going to bed...and fired it up when I got home from work. Sounded okay then, but I decided to adjust the fan controller to just spin the fans up higher and see how they sounded. Nothing happened. Normally, I would hear them spinning faster very clearly, so I tried to spin them down some and waited. Still nothing. After a couple of adjustments, spin down they did...to stop. Nothing would get them started again.

Great. Dead fan controller...30 days in...after dialing it in weeks ago and not touching it.

Okay, so I decided to wire the fans directly to the MB for now...and that's when I saw my larger issue - my front intake fan had a light sheen of oil around the cowling. It was just on the inside, but when I wiped it with a tissue, there was enough that it left a golden color on the tissue. What the heck?

I pulled the fan and the front of the case and checked. There appears to be nothing on the filter at all - i.e., nothing pulled in from the front. I can't say with 100% certainty that it wasn't there when I built, but I am pretty sure I would have noticed it if it was. I think the bearing blew a seal. Amazing. Has anyone seen this before?

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Edited by Scuba Steve in VA - 3/5/12 at 7:48pm
post #1728 of 15859
Dispatch an email to Fractal.
post #1729 of 15859
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I hope you guys don't mind me posing this question here, but I hope it's not too out of place.
I'm considering moving to a bit smaller and more subtle case. I have a full tower Cooler Master Stacker 830 SE right now. I've been browsing around a bit over the past few days, and the Fractal Arc Midi and Fractal Define R3 are two of my three top choices (the Xigmatek Midgard II is the other), and that's the rough order I am considering them in. I like how the Arc Mini is even smaller while still having a lot of space for hard drives, but I don't want to swap out my motherboard, and the Midi wouldn't be too big for me.
I have some questions.
A few posts up, vibrations from the hard disk drives were mentioned. This is a concern to me. I have four, and my current case does very well at dampening them by having rubber grommets between the drive cages and the case, so I wouldn't want to introduce that. I would have them spaced every other bay in the case of the Arc Midi. To those who have three or four or more drives, is this an issue to you? I noticed it uses metal sleds and the drives appear to be screwed into small rubber grommets? Does this work well?
I don't have a modular PSU, and it's even one of the ones with a rear style fan. To those with non-modular PSUs, is it tough? My current case has it mounted at the top, so I sort of tuck the extra wires above the optical disk drive, and the spares that are running down under the hard disk drive cages, but now I won't be able to. It's of some old hardware, but the wiring is like this.
My CPU and GPU (more the GPU) can run warm on a bad day (Crysis during the summer). Right now, I have an "open style" case, so I recently cut back on the capability and number of fans by using four standard Cooler Master ones since having the extra fans blow on it did nothing to help temperatures but added a lot of noise. How is the cooling in this case? I don't want to have go and spend $40+ on some fans. It's a shame that, at least from my research, the stock fans aren't available separately in the states? Some say they are quiet and some say they aren't, but most say they aren't that great. I notice everyone here seems to be using them though. Does everyone just do the "front and sides intake and back and top exhaust" or is there a better way and/or some fans you're better off without?
Lastly, I have two things to comment on.
I'm not a fan of the top USB ports. They get dust and such in them. I may look into those small covers someone got them a little earlier in this thread.
Secondly, while I want to try something different and get something smaller and more subtle in the process (though I still like what I have), I'm not thrilled by the static Black offerings, and the Silver door on the Define R3 doesn't change that for me. I wish they were silver and Black like what I have. I'd be all over them quicker.
Sorry to be so excessive, especially since I'm not totally sure I'm going to do anything, or if I even choose a Fractal offering if I do (and on that note, any other suggestions?), but I am serious about researching it and can see myself 50/50 on doing it and ending up with an Arc Midi or Define R3, hence the attention to detail.

I'm pretty sure that the episodes of HDD vibrations mentioned are pretty isolated. The mounting system here is top notch. I dig it.

There is ample space behind the mobo for all the PSU cables. I have not heard of anybody saying it was a tight squeeze. There is about an inch.

The stock fans do suck IMHO. They can move some air but are noisy as heck. I do not think most people will be happy unless they replace them. Note, only 140mm fans will fit in the front. Many people have had the best luck with a front intake, a top intake, and a rear exhaust. Some people even report better cooling with no rear fan at all and the rear grill cut out.

I like the top mounted usb's. They are easily accessible. I have seen some with the ports at the very bottom. Very inconvenient.
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post #1730 of 15859
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Originally Posted by adi518 View Post

Dispatch an email to Fractal.

I did, but I am not even sure why. At this point, I am not sticking another one of their fans in my case..and their fan controller isn't worth my time. I will probably drop in some PWM fans and connect them directly to my MB.

My satisfaction with Fractal just dropped off significantly. Oil leaking? When powered by THEIR fan controller? Which also died. Yeah, not happy at all.
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