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That's exactly why I got mine. My ears were very sensitive to changes in speed.

And these changes are more pronounced than those of your temp-controlled CPU and GPU fans? If so, I think that you need new case fans. wink.gif

Seriously though, my case fans are far quieter than my GPU and CPU fans...and those fans are no slouches either. I have CM XtraFlos on my CPU and a TwinFrozr III cooling system on my GPU. The entire system is very quiet from idle to moderate usage with no noticeable fan variation.

I suppose that I am spoiled by my Gene-Z MB and the software that allows me to setup these RPM curves for the CPU and case fans. The case fans' RPM stays constant for minor variations in temperature and only increases when things are getting very warm...and even then they ramp up very slowly.

Do you folks put your CPU fans on your fan controller? I can't imagine that you would...but when those CPU cooler fans automatically kick up higher due to increased CPU temp, don't you also want increased air flow coming into the case to ensure that the cooler's input air is as cool as possible? Ditto GPU.

Heck, quite often I am not even near my system when something fires off that increases load. It could be a scheduled job, a server process, or me accessing it remotely. Who spins the knob then? wink.gif

I really find the usage of controllers to be very curious. It's supposedly a power user thing. That said, it is the opposite in many other environments. Example - cars essentially had fan controllers for AC and heat for most of their history. You set the temp and fan speed manually and then adjusted as necessary. Luxury higher-end (i.e., more sophisticated) cars came along and allowed the driver (and perhaps passenger) to set a desired temperature...and then the vehicle would adjust the system as necessary to meet these target temps. A fan controller seems like a step backwards to me...especially when one factors in that CPU, GPU, and PSU fans in the same case are dynamically controlled based on temp.

Oh well, different strokes. One size never fits all. smile.gif

cheers,
Scuba
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That's exactly why I got mine. My ears were very sensitive to changes in speed.

And these changes are more pronounced than those of your temp-controlled CPU and GPU fans? If so, I think that you need new case fans. wink.gif

Seriously though, my case fans are far quieter than my GPU and CPU fans...and those fans are no slouches either. I have CM XtraFlos on my CPU and a TwinFrozr III cooling system on my GPU. The entire system is very quiet from idle to moderate usage with no noticeable fan variation.

I suppose that I am spoiled by my Gene-Z MB and the software that allows me to setup these RPM curves for the CPU and case fans. The case fans' RPM stays constant for minor variations in temperature and only increases when things are getting very warm...and even then they ramp up very slowly.

Do you folks put your CPU fans on your fan controller? I can't imagine that you would...but when those CPU cooler fans automatically kick up higher due to increased CPU temp, don't you also want increased air flow coming into the case to ensure that the cooler's input air is as cool as possible? Ditto GPU.

Heck, quite often I am not even near my system when something fires off that increases load. It could be a scheduled job, a server process, or me accessing it remotely. Who spins the knob then? wink.gif

I really find the usage of controllers to be very curious. It's supposedly a power user thing. That said, it is the opposite in many other environments. Example - cars essentially had fan controllers for AC and heat for most of their history. You set the temp and fan speed manually and then adjusted as necessary. Luxury higher-end (i.e., more sophisticated) cars came along and allowed the driver (and perhaps passenger) to set a desired temperature...and then the vehicle would adjust the system as necessary to meet these target temps. A fan controller seems like a step backwards to me...especially when one factors in that CPU, GPU, and PSU fans in the same case are dynamically controlled based on temp.

Oh well, different strokes. One size never fits all. smile.gif

cheers,
Scuba

My CPU has always been cooled by after-market cooler with at least one 120 mm fan connected to my fan controller and my GPU has a VF3000A cooler on it that also uses a 3-pin fan connector that requires being plugged in to the motherboard or a fan controller.

I also have mostly AP-15's or medium speed Yate's now so those are connected to Molex anyway and always at 100% and still nice and quiet.

My mini USB aquarium's water circulating is louder then both of my rigs which are less and 4 ft form my head.



As for your car comment, I currently have a car that came with a temperature based system where you set the temperature and it adjusts automatically, I hated it because I am constantly switching between city and highway on my drive to work (40 km/h and 100 km/h) and the built-in auto adjustment doesn't kick in fast enough, then over-compensates when I'm slowing back down and the change in cabin temperature was very noticeable, about 2-3 degrees.

So I actually went to the scrap yard and got the manual adjustable climate control module and installed it.



As you said though, most regular users probably would never benefit from a fan controller and are better off with auto adjusting, but power-users that seek control would almost never go without fan control.

The alternative though is finding a fan that you can set to a constant speed from your motherboard and not need to adjust it, in the same sense a water cooling pump as well.
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I suppose that I am spoiled by my Gene-Z MB and the software that allows me to setup these RPM curves for the CPU and case fans. The case fans' RPM stays constant for minor variations in temperature and only increases when things are getting very warm...and even then they ramp up very slowly.
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Do you folks put your CPU fans on your fan controller? I can't imagine that you would...but when those CPU cooler fans automatically kick up higher due to increased CPU temp, don't you also want increased air flow coming into the case to ensure that the cooler's input air is as cool as possible? Ditto GPU.
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Heck, quite often I am not even near my system when something fires off that increases load. It could be a scheduled job, a server process, or me accessing it remotely. Who spins the knob then? wink.gif
1. I had pretty much the same feature too, didnt work as well as msi AB's gpu fan profile did for some reason.
2. You can count on it. Every fan in my case was akasa viper, apart from the gpu fans. And the 180mm AP's after I switched over to FT02. See 3 for moar.
3. Indeed. For example, such a thing can happen while one sleeps. Don't want the fan to ramp up and wake me up. Even if something were to start up and use the cpu, it's not like it's going to fry or anything. Idles at high 30's and goes to 50c or a few mins of stress, so what? So nobody will be spinning the knob 'cause there's no need to.

And on a side note, my controller didnt have knobs. It had sliders tongue.gif
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And these changes are more pronounced than those of your temp-controlled CPU and GPU fans?
Do you folks put your CPU fans on your fan controller? I can't imagine that you would...

Scuba



There are many of us , who's builds revolve around creating the lowest levels of noise that could possibly be obtained. That "niche" market has been addressed with several Antec model cases dating back 5-7 years ago. Ad the fact that Mfg's have consistently improved fan technology to reach low noise levels never seen in the past. Now we add to this equation , the manuall fan controller. And, with several CPU coolers utilizing 2 and even three fans.....I'd say the ability to manual control the CPU's fans is no less critical than intake and exaust case fans. The onboard
mobo headers have greatly improved over the years, but can be extremly problematic and in some cases confusing. The risk factor of going total manual, can be confidently eliminated with the many temp reading outputted software proggies. Because some of the better "top tier" air coolers
can be close to running almost fanless, there's gonna be times that running CPU fans at 400-700 is absolutly reasonable and totally safe. Combining that control with the addition of operating all the case fans at rediccolous low sppeds.....creates db levels that produce near total silent. When we need to put the pedal to the metal arrises ,a simple twist of 4-5-6-7 fans knobs immediatly gives us the chill required to handle whatever high intensity graphics thrown in their direction.
For nearing 10 years now, controllers of some type have been in my every machine. Being able to do nothing but power surfing yields a sound level I defy you to hear at just several feet. That ability alone pushes us "quiet freeks" to imbrace the hardware that can 100% make it all come to fuition....the simple fan controller.

Fractal is one fine fine case , and I have virtually nothing negitive to comment about the case itself.
When I purchased my Fractal Mini.......that's what I bought......a case. The supplied fans and controller were thrown in there for the added "goodie" effect. Neither product could ever be classified as quality goods.....hence the immedite removal and replacement with fans and controllers which meet the demands of us noise freaks. IMO, why not compliment a kick ass case with equally kick ass fans and controllers. That combination can never be as effective as onboard fan controllers. One day they may be able to.......but at this current time, there's plenty more development to be done for absolute controllability. So yes, there's plenty reasons to not utilize onboard headers........even the CPU
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hello!
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Looks very nice.
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hello!
fractal design core 1000 custom front panel smile.gif
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Do you have a build log?
I really love it!

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hello!
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Sweet ! How did you accomplish that?
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So anyone with a Define R3 and a non-modular PSU? Like a TX650 or similar with ~4-5 harddrives?

I wish to see your cable management. My main issues are the cables going to the HDDs (on the back), SATA cables and the 24Pin PSU cable which is too fat to hide behind the backplate.
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My 24 pin went back there... but then, my PSU is modular so there wasn't much else back there
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