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Sure it will.

Sorry, but where in this video does he show/say that a NH-D14 fits with a 140mm side panel fan installed? I know the NH-D14 fits. I am asking because I am debating whether or not getting a top-down cooler or a regular tower cooler.

From the website specifications, the R4 has 170mm clearance. Subtract 25mm for a side panel fan and that's only 145mm. Most tower coolers are about 160mm tall. So yeah, not seeing how any tower cooler could fit, hence the top-down alternative.

I've seen benchmarks where the NH-C14 performs just as good as the NH-D14. I guess the next logical question would is a top-down cooler configuration going to interfere with air cirulation. I know push/pull is extremely popular as it just goes straight out the back. But I've seen benchmarks that show the side panel fan having the most significant affect on temperatures.
Edited by bam06005 - 12/22/12 at 6:35am
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Lots of people still asking me if you can fit 240 rads in the R4? Yes, and it will also fit 280 rad in front... Here is a Review and Dismantle video of the Define R4
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Originally Posted by adridu59 View Post

Sure it will.

Sorry, but where in this video does he show/say that a NH-D14 fits with a 140mm side panel fan installed? I know the NH-D14 fits. I am asking because I am debating whether or not getting a top-down cooler or a regular tower cooler.

From the website specifications, the R4 has 170mm clearance. Subtract 25mm for a side panel fan and that's only 145mm. Most tower coolers are about 160mm tall. So yeah, not seeing how any tower cooler could fit, hence the top-down alternative.

I've seen benchmarks where the NH-C14 performs just as good as the NH-D14. I guess the next logical question would is a top-down cooler configuration going to interfere with air cirulation. I know push/pull is extremely popular as it just goes straight out the back. But I've seen benchmarks that show the side panel fan having the most significant affect on temperatures.

Is this what your talking about?

http://www.overclock.net/t/628569/official-noctua-nh-d14-club/2840_20

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Is this what your talking about?
http://www.overclock.net/t/628569/official-noctua-nh-d14-club/2840_20
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Actually, no. What I mean is fitting a 140mm fan on the non-window R4 side panel with a tower cooler.

It's not possible with a tower cooler. The alternative, as I said, would be a top-down cooler leaving plenty of room for a side panel fan. But after thinking about it some more and talking with other people, it wouldn't really be worth it. The top-down would disrupt the postive air pressure circulation from a front/bottom intake - back/top exhaust setup. Also the push/pull of the tower will help control circulation.

I do really like how he has the rig fitted. My only change to that fan setup would be a top/rear 140mm fan. That would balance the intake/exhaust ratio while still maintaining a postive pressure system. Oh and I might also rotate the drive cage to maximise airflow over the drives. This would sacrifice cabling (they would most likely show a tiny bit) but I'd imagine it would help temps. All about the circulation! thumb.gif

Question - Is the bottom clearance between the case and the floor enough for optimal airflow for bottom fan? I have seen people raise the R4 up on wooden planks and I really don't want to do that.
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Question - Is the bottom clearance between the case and the floor enough for optimal airflow for bottom fan? I have seen people raise the R4 up on wooden planks and I really don't want to do that.
My belief is no it's too close to floor. So I remove the feet and put this under my R2


The triangles are for to index the Silverstone magnetic filter into place without needing to tip case on it's side and the little buttons on it are silicone door/drawer quieters.
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Anybody else got a 2500K, H80i and an R4? If so what are your temps like at stock speeds? Thanks.
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My belief is no it's too close to floor. So I remove the feet and put this under my R2

The triangles are for to index the Silverstone magnetic filter into place without needing to tip case on it's side and the little buttons on it are silicone door/drawer quieters.

+rep just for the effort! I was only thinking about something like furniture feet cups. That's a real nice mod. biggrin.gif

Thanks for the tip. I will keep my eyes open for a solution to raising the case.
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What's the best way to go about hooking up fans in the R4?

So take the included fan controller (up to 3 fans). Then throw in, say a Gigabyte UD3H z77 that has four 4-pin headers and a cpu fan header.

Then take a 5 fan configuration: 2 front intake, 1 bottom intake, 1 top/back exhaust, and 1 back exhaust.

Oh yeah, don't forget the cooler. Something like a NH-D14. That only comes with stock 3-pin fans, so I could go with a splitter to run the entire cooler unit off the cpu header.

So what three fans would plug into the controller? Or maybe would you run splitters and have everything running into the controller? I do like pwm and the UD3H would do just fine automatically regulating the fans. Or maybe have the controller hooked up to the 3 intakes, then when I am gaming I can crank them up and then just drop them back down when I'm finished, leaving the exhaust hooked up to mobo headers.

I really don't know what's optimal. I want a clean look, that's for sure.
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Should I throw away the stock fan filters for the Midi and buy some new ones? What would you guys recommend?
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What's the best way to go about hooking up fans in the R4?
So take the included fan controller (up to 3 fans). Then throw in, say a Gigabyte UD3H z77 that has four 4-pin headers and a cpu fan header.
Then take a 5 fan configuration: 2 front intake, 1 bottom intake, 1 top/back exhaust, and 1 back exhaust.
Oh yeah, don't forget the cooler. Something like a NH-D14. That only comes with stock 3-pin fans, so I could go with a splitter to run the entire cooler unit off the cpu header.
So what three fans would plug into the controller? Or maybe would you run splitters and have everything running into the controller? I do like pwm and the UD3H would do just fine automatically regulating the fans. Or maybe have the controller hooked up to the 3 intakes, then when I am gaming I can crank them up and then just drop them back down when I'm finished, leaving the exhaust hooked up to mobo headers.
I really don't know what's optimal. I want a clean look, that's for sure.

It's all depending on the fans you choose, and how close the speed you'll run them at is close to their maximal speed.

I would certainly recommend to hook the 2 front fans to the same controller header, and they will probably be generating most of the noise. The bottom intake would be allocated to another controller header (I'm assuming all case fans will be identital) or the same header as well, if wattage is sufficient. It's depending on how you'd like to optimize noise (bottom intake tend to be slightly less noisy than front intakes). The last header would run both exhaust fans at the same speed (ther ationale behind that the more heat is generated, the more fans need to exhaust it).
I'm confused bu the CPU fan headrer on the mobo: I would assume it had 1 4-pins CPU header for PWM control, and potentially a second header (3-pinsonly) to power a second CPU fan (similar setup to the ASRock P67 Extreme 6 I have). Anyway, I thoroughly recommend running the CPU and GPU on PWM to optimize noise!

I'm using the Arc Midi, which shares most of its internal with the R4, and run hte same configuration of fan as you intend to. My setup is (with 4 fan channels)
- 2 front intake fans (Thermalright TY-147) on a single fan controller header
- 1 bottom intake fan (Thermalright X-Silent 140, to be replaced by another TY-147) on a separate fan controller header
- 1 top/back exhaust fan (Phobya G-silent 18) on a separate fan controller header
- 1 back exhaust fan (Thermalright X-Silent 140, to be replaced by another TY-147) on a separate fan controller header
If I were you, I would run the 3 intake fans from the R4 controller, let let the mobo rake care of heat exhaust.

Hope this helps!
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