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More thinking 'out loud':

With the Akasa splitter I can run up to 5 PWM fans from the mobo header, powering them via PSU. The only two PWM options I have in mind are Noiseblocker Multiframe M12-PS's and Thermalright TY-147's. My non-PWM list is also pretty short: Gentle Typhoons, or San Ace Silents (9S1212L4011) if Ehume ever decides to sell me his. Both of those can be run at or less than 1W each and can be easily managed by the R4's included controller. The Thermalright fan is the most taxing to the controllers at 1.5W, but I'd only be using 3 (one per channel), easily managed by the R4's controller.

Now then, here's my dilema. Right now I'm on air, but as soon as I nix the X-mas debt I'll be going to water. The TY-147's will clearly be the best air coolers, and I would definitely mod them or the front of the R4 to fit two 147s. However, as they use 120mm mount holes, I pretty much can't use them for radiators; they could fit a single 120 rad and that's it. The Gentle Typhoons and San Aces are the next best for static pressure and will fit both the case and any normal 120 rads without modification. The M12-PS's are PWM, have somewhat-better-than-standard static pressure and thus can be used both for air cooling and watercooling lower FPI rads like I'm getting, but they won't be as good as the TY-147's for air cooling or as good as fan controlled GTs and San Aces for watercooling.


*Watercooling plan is Swiftech Apogee Drive II, EK or Swiftech full cover GPU block, Swiftech MCR220-QP Res up front (12 fpi), XSPC EX240 up top (9-10 fpi), and possibly a single low-fpi 120 or 140 rad on the bottom. The third single rad may or may not be necessary, depending on how comfortable I feel with temperatures at my preferred noise levels. 4 or 5 fans needed for this setup.
    
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Originally Posted by BBEG View Post

*Watercooling plan is Swiftech Apogee Drive II, EK or Swiftech full cover GPU block, Swiftech MCR220-QP Res up front (12 fpi), XSPC EX240 up top (9-10 fpi), and possibly a single low-fpi 120 or 140 rad on the bottom. The third single rad may or may not be necessary, depending on how comfortable I feel with temperatures at my preferred noise levels. 4 or 5 fans needed for this setup.

the EX is 20+ fpi so to make it work proper, the fans speed should be 1600-2000rpm
you can slow them down to forsake a couple of degrees in temperature rise.

why not keep it simple. depending on equipment used a RX240 in the roof and SR1
or alphacool XT/UT280 up front. the floor rad is going to be an after-thought and not
contributing to much if any.

a healthy overclock on ivey/sandy bridge, sli/x-fire late model cards with a medium
overclock. should hold mid-60° in loaded temperatures, using 1200rpm or less fans.
cool, quiet and performing as well. mixing radiator types and arrangements is plain
counter-productive. keep it simple and it'll work for you, instead of the other way around.

2x 120mm fans high static
2x 140mm fans high static
push/pull not needed unless dressing to impress..

airdeano
post #5493 of 15929
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why not keep it simple. depending on equipment used a RX240 in the roof and SR1
or alphacool XT/UT280 up front. the floor rad is going to be an after-thought and not
contributing to much if any.

my exact setup :-D

I don't have my gpu block installed or the second radiator. Working on installing the ut60 280 radiator up front.
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Originally Posted by airdeano View Post

the EX is 20+ fpi so to make it work proper, the fans speed should be 1600-2000rpm
you can slow them down to forsake a couple of degrees in temperature rise.

Hm, I read that the EX is a really low fpi, which is apparently wrong. I picked a slimmer rad to go up top because I'm still not sure yet about clearance for the motherboard.

I'm measuring just about 300mm up top without removing the 5.25 cage. This should allow an MCR220-QP Res to fit up there, which keeps my loop neater by integrating the res. An SR1 240 will go up front. My goal is < 30dBA system, so fans will not go above 1000rpm unless gaming or under load. The floor rad may be useful, or it may not; like I said, it will depend on how well the two 240s can cool at the noise level I want (it will be the first time I'll have the chance to really push the 955).
    
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post #5495 of 15929
hi all

Would like to know if anyone has tried the AF140 corsair fans over the 140mm fractal fans ? Are the af140 fans better for moving air and are these fans just as quiet or even more quiet than the fractals ?

never bought 140mm fans before always had 120mm noctuas but herd good things about the AF140. any thoughts on this

thanks
post #5496 of 15929
With 550+ pages in this forum I apologize for not reading them all the way through - but is there an estimated release date for the new Fractal Design Define XL R2 other than sometime in 2013?

As the midtower Define R4 version just won Tom's Hardware's quiet case competition :

http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/lian-li-pc-b12-nanoxia-deep-silence-1-silverstone-ft-02s-usb3,3378-17.html

I'm thinking it would make an excellent home for my dual-SLI GTX 580 rig.

I like the changes that they incorporated for this new revision.
post #5497 of 15929
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Originally Posted by airdeano View Post

well if it wnt 6hrs and then tipped over, id build out of the case (to rule out case short) and
verify the same out of case. two things come to mind, BIOS or PSU. do you have a spare
PSU or even a beefy PSU power cable? swap if you can.
and revise report.
airdeano

I built it outside of the case-no issues at all. I'm pretty sure that the case is the problem here although I could be wrong.
post #5498 of 15929
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Originally Posted by raptorxrx View Post

I built it outside of the case-no issues at all. I'm pretty sure that the case is the problem here although I could be wrong.
Have you powered it up using case wires but not mounted in case? Like set it on a piece of cardboard in side of case so you can hook it up as it would be installed in case.

This would rule out case wiring and/or any PSU wiring used in case but not on bench... and my guess is it's motherboard grounding somehow to case.

If the above works then try making some heavy paper (like file folder are made of) insulating sheet between motherboard and mounting plate.. might be a little tricky getting screw holes made.

Also check it's not a PCI card possibly grounding out to mounting slots in case.

Don't know what else to suggest. Airdeano covered things pretty well.
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Originally Posted by meridius View Post

hi all
Would like to know if anyone has tried the AF140 corsair fans over the 140mm fractal fans ? Are the af140 fans better for moving air and are these fans just as quiet or even more quiet than the fractals ?
never bought 140mm fans before always had 120mm noctuas but herd good things about the AF140. any thoughts on this
thanks

I am using them. The af140's are nice, quiet, and look sharp. They move about double the air of the stock fractal fans. I have 4 of them, one on the side panel, rear exhaust and 2 up front for intakes.
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Does anyone else have a vibration/buzzing noise issue? I think it's the hard drive cage but I'm not sure. I only hear it when the hard drive is spinning. Pushing on the drive cage or the tab that holds the tray in place usually makes it stop. Also adjusting the side panel can make it stop. Does anyone have this or know of a way to fix it? I've been trying to figure this out for months. Thanks smile.gif
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