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I'm with you! I too am a carbon fiber vinyl Freak! thumb.gif

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Carbon fiber looks are starting to make me wanna start a new build. Are they easy to maintain cleaning the case if you have Carbon Fiber on the case interior too? I wondered? Dust cleaning easy or troublesome?
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Something about those three slot cards in SLI that makes them look so beast! How are the temps with the fan right next to them?

THANK YOU THANK YOU EVERYONE FOR ALL THE KIND COMMENTS smile.gif


Temps are very good for triple-slot SLI.

Idle Temps: Top- 31C, Bottom- 27C

Gaming Temps (~50-70% Load): Top- 57-62C, Bottom- 38-40C

Benchmarking Temps: Top-74C, Bottom-44C

I removed all the HD bays, and I'm currently using (2x) NZXT 140mm + (1x) NZXT 120mm (bottom intake) as intake fans
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I know what you mean, I usually hate the look of carbon fibre even in black builds, mainly because they put it places where it's noticeable, like on the metalwork of the case. S@wer has put it on select parts of components and spread its use so yeah, nice and subtle. Almost looks like they were made that way! wink.gif

S@wer, is there any issue of it delaminating over time or is it expected that you have to reapply it after a certain period?

I have never have an issue with any delamination, discoloring, or peeling.....I guess as long as you clean the area of application before applying, you shouldn't have an issue. Other areas like stickers (the stickers on the Corsair RAM heatsinks) are a great surface to simply cut-and-stick tongue.gif
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Carbon fiber looks are starting to make me wanna start a new build. Are they easy to maintain cleaning the case if you have Carbon Fiber on the case interior too? I wondered? Dust cleaning easy or troublesome?

Cleaning is easy! The front fan filters keep out most of the dust, and because I removed the front HD bays, I just run a soft micro-fiber cloth over the internals every few days (I'm kind of a neat freak lol...) and use some canned air for everything else!

***One a completely different note***

Anyone with a WHITE Define R4 case willing to swap your LED/power switch (red) for my blue switch?
(Otherwise I plan on just swapping the LED with a red one tongue.gif)
Edited by S@wyer - 1/16/13 at 2:22pm
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Silverstone FF123 / FF143.

These will not work on the arc midi. I want to replace the stock foam with something better. Considering 95% of the top panel is fan filter clearly a single 140/120 fan filter will not work.
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Dryer sheets? Are you really that inferior? Dryer sheets can build up static electricity! Are you trying to make your computer smell better? Why don't you go to http://www.frozencpu.com/ and get fan filters there.

Dryer sheets actually don't build static electricity unless friction is involved, since they won't move will not build static electricity. I don't want to make the computer smell better, that would just be odd, if it was stinky in the first place.

I ordered some of their mod right a+ super density material and some other super thin flexible material (plastic mesh) Will give it a shot.
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I know what you mean, I usually hate the look of carbon fibre even in black builds, mainly because they put it places where it's noticeable, like on the metalwork of the case. S@wer has put it on select parts of components and spread its use so yeah, nice and subtle. Almost looks like they were made that way! wink.gif

Exactly. It looks good in moderation or as small accents, but too many people use it to completely cover a part or panel.
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I worry about how much air can actually pass through that stuff. It seems almost as dense enough to be comparable to closed-cell foam, which would be anything but air filter material. I'm doing some web hunting for a sheet-like material that can be used as a filter but easily removed for cleaning, but my application (Define R4) is a lot different than yours on the Midi.

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THANK YOU THANK YOU EVERYONE FOR ALL THE KIND COMMENTS smile.gif

Temps are very good for triple-slot SLI.

Idle Temps: Top- 31C, Bottom- 27C

Gaming Temps (~50-70% Load): Top- 57-62C, Bottom- 38-40C

Benchmarking Temps: Top-74C, Bottom-44C

I removed all the HD bays, and I'm currently using (2x) NZXT 140mm + (1x) NZXT 120mm (bottom intake) as intake fans

Since you're using the windowed side panel, have you considered cutting vents or drilling holes to let that side fan function as an intake? Keeping them small, tight, and aligned with the fan wouldn't hurt aesthetics much (if at all) and would almost positively result in cooler GPU temps.
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I worry about how much air can actually pass through that stuff. It seems almost as dense enough to be comparable to closed-cell foam, which would be anything but air filter material. I'm doing some web hunting for a sheet-like material that can be used as a filter but easily removed for cleaning, but my application (Define R4) is a lot different than yours on the Midi.

Why not just get a 10ppi foam filter pad like they use in aquariums? It should let air pass through easier. Otherwise you're looking at stuff like pantyhose or some nylon or polyester mesh like screen printing material. The density of that stuff will likely give worse performance than the foam pad.
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Since you're using the windowed side panel, have you considered cutting vents or drilling holes to let that side fan function as an intake? Keeping them small, tight, and aligned with the fan wouldn't hurt aesthetics much (if at all) and would almost positively result in cooler GPU temps.

That fan is more of an "air circulator" of sorts...cool air moving on the inside of the window gets tossed at the gpu's.

The spacing is stacked, even when running with the side panel off (so that fan could, in theory intake air), temps remain the same.

If I upgraded my mobo (EVGA Z77 FTW maybe?) I could get some space between the gpu's and would definitely see a drop in temps with a side intake. smile.gif

Speaking of that....anyone know of another mobo that would have that spacing? (P67, Z68. Z77....any works).

Only real requirement would be having the 1st slot be a PCI-E slot, and have (5) slot spacing between it and a 2nd PCI-E slot
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Why not just get a 10ppi foam filter pad like they use in aquariums? It should let air pass through easier. Otherwise you're looking at stuff like pantyhose or some nylon or polyester mesh like screen printing material. The density of that stuff will likely give worse performance than the foam pad.

I might still have some of that stuff lying around. It would be really convenient if the solution is this simple; filters are very hard on air flow as it is but if this can both trap dust and be washable then add another sscore for DIYers.

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That fan is more of an "air circulator" of sorts...cool air moving on the inside of the window gets tossed at the gpu's.

The spacing is stacked, even when running with the side panel off (so that fan could, in theory intake air), temps remain the same.

Ouch. In that case, I'd agree that a motherboard upgrade would be your only shot at getting that top card's temps down. Unfortunately I don't know any boards with that spacing for PCI-E slots.

A little Google-Fu shows the following that may have the right spacing.
Didn't read too much into the above boards, but they look about right.



Re: Define R4 Clearances

I've been thinking about 140mm radiators lately after remembering Martin's tests showing Gentle Typhoons on adapters to be just as competitive with or outperform the bigger 140mm fans on 140 radiators. 140 rads are generally more effective than 120 rads for obvious reasons.

Rear Fan Mount - This space will fit a rad at or less than 143mm x 185mm before brushing against the IO shield and the shelf just above the expansion slots. It's literally < 1-damn-mm too small a space to squeeze in an Alphacool 140 rad... unless you've got a push fan, that is, which would let an attached radiator clear both the IO shroud and the expansion slot shelf. Cool. wink.gif

Top Fan Mounts - Refer to these pics:



(Pardon the mess. Function-testing before my remaining cables come in. thumb.gif)

You've got about 315mm in length and 190mm in width to work with. The width is more than enough for any 140 rad. Length will not fit the more common 280 rads. The SR1 280 and Swiftech MCR240 will need about 1-2mm of trimming. XSPC's EX 280 needs about 5-6mm of trimming, and Alphacool's 280s will need a solid 25-26mm cut out.

Front Fan Mounts - You've got about 310mm from case floor to the bottom of the 5.25 cage's HDD cage mount bracket thing, or 325mm if you can squeeze the rad in that little 37mm-ish notch between the front of the 5.25 cage and that HDD cage bracket. Width is a nonissue; you can lay the longest single 140 rad sideways and it'll fit fine. Length will be just as difficult or moreso as it was in the top fan mounts. Removing that HDD cage mounting bracket clears up some space for most common 280s, but the longer ones will still be left out without removing the 5.25 cage altogether.

Bottom Fan Mount - With the bottom HDD cage removed you can fit any single 140 rad out there length- or width-wise. Just be mindful of your PSU cable plugs.


Back to the drawing board I suppose... thinking.gif
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Ouch. In that case, I'd agree that a motherboard upgrade would be your only shot at getting that top card's temps down. Unfortunately I don't know any boards with that spacing for PCI-E slots.

A little Google-Fu shows the following that may have the right spacing.
Didn't read too much into the above boards, but they look about right.

Yeah, looked into the Sniper G1, Z77-UP7 and EVGA FTW (the only boards with slot #1 having a PCI-E x16 slot) but these are...$$$ (400+) wink.gif

These coolers are HUGE, and hard to suffocate.....my temps look pretty good (even better when compared to reference cards), so I've never really been concerned with the temps. Real-world gaming load sub-65C on top card.....all good. smile.gif

*EDIT* Load temps (non-benchmarking) for reference GTX 680 (non-SLI) are ~72C ...my temps in BF3, 54-60C. I can live with that. biggrin.gif
Edited by S@wyer - 1/16/13 at 5:59pm
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Hey guys,

I'm building a computer running i5 3570k and the GigaByte 7950 in the R4.

I'm not sure if the stock case fans will be enough to cool them as I'm planning to OC. Right now I'm thinking of either getting NH-D14 or a CLC.

Is it worth it to replace/buy more case fans for this kind of build? Also, should I add fans onto the top/side to maximize cooling? Or will this add a lot of noise?

Thanks!
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