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I have not been overly impressed by three stock R4 fans, BUT I am also using them behind the front fan filters. This is not a good arrangement as the stock fans are not high static pressure fans and front fans on the R3 / R4 case have a lot of restriction to overcome. My main annoyance is that they are not quiet at all, even dropped to 7 and 5v.

I also have to give credit where it's due to Fractal: the front fan mount is very secure and doesn't appear to transmit much, if any, vibration to the case or air as audible noise.

Hrm... Well I'm tending toward putting an H100i radiator at the front after all in push/pull (with Scythe Gentle Typhoons), since that's going to be a fairly thick slab to fit at the top otherwise. Not sure if I'd use the top fan openings then. I'm still trying to visualize the best way to set up airflow in that case. On one hand, my GPU is a reference GTX 660 Ti, so it will pull hot air out of the case, and it'd [probably] be good for it to have some high airflow intake fans at the front. On the other hand, maybe the H100i fans will be enough, since my CPU tends to run very cool with it, normally sub 50C in games.

I've been considering getting an Accelero Mono Plus for my GPU, but then the hot air would be dumped into the case, and with restricted airflow that R4 has, it might actually not help GPU temperatures. Unless I set up 2 exhaust fans at the top?

So many possibilities. And finally, I wonder how much of a difference it would make to open up the vents at the top and put fans there, as intake or exhaust. It would certainly be quieter with those vents closed, but not if it will choke the GPU. I'm afraid I'll have to play with configurations quite a bit, unless someone's already tested these possibilities to some extent and could comment.
   
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Freezing rain all day today in Wisconsin.....stay indoors today = mess with the computer biggrin.gif

Found something interesting....

I had a few CM 212+'s in a parts box downstairs.....figured "...hmmm, lets just mess with it..."
I swapped out my H100 for the 212+ and WOW...

CPU temps (2600k 4.4GHz) load temps only went up 5C (now 55C at load) but my GPU temps dropped (top card).

2x GTX 680's SLI Top card (old: 55C, *****new: 42C*****)

I would assume the 212+ is helping to cool my top card....and I'm completely fine with 5C+ on my CPU for temps like that wink.gif
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Finally finished the top panel of my Define Mini! wheee.gif




The rest of the build is still very much a WIP, but it's starting to look the way it is supposed to now!

For more details, see the Build Log.
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That looks killer thumb.gif
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post #6135 of 16061
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Freezing rain all day today in Wisconsin.....stay indoors today = mess with the computer biggrin.gif

Found something interesting....

I had a few CM 212+'s in a parts box downstairs.....figured "...hmmm, lets just mess with it..."
I swapped out my H100 for the 212+ and WOW...

CPU temps (2600k 4.4GHz) load temps only went up 5C (now 55C at load) but my GPU temps dropped (top card).

2x GTX 680's SLI Top card (old: 55C, *****new: 42C*****)

I would assume the 212+ is helping to cool my top card....and I'm completely fine with 5C+ on my CPU for temps like that wink.gif

How was your H100 set up before? Intake at the top in push configuration? Or at the front?
   
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Crucial m4 Hitachi TravelStar 2.5" SATA III Intel 330  BitFenix Recon fan controller 
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post #6136 of 16061
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How was your H100 set up before? Intake at the top in push configuration? Or at the front?

At first I had it top-mounted (as per my sig-rig pictures) as an exhaust (Load temps: CPU: 55C GPU: 55C)
Then I switched it to intake (still top-mounted) (Load temps: CPU: 49C GPU: 60C)

Now, threw in a Hyper 212+ (CPU: 55C GPU: 42C)

That, and going to a tower cooler after the past few years of: H60 --> H80 --> H100 ....it looks awesome in comparison rolleyes.gif

I now have (2x) 140mm Fractal (non-silent) intakes, (3x) 140mm Corsair AF's at the rear/top of the case ....the airflow is really nice.

The fans on the 212+ are (2x) 120mm Corsair SP's on 7v
Edited by S@wyer - 2/10/13 at 4:31pm
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post #6137 of 16061
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At first I had it top-mounted (as per my sig-rig pictures) as an exhaust (Load temps: CPU: 55C GPU: 55C)
Then I switched it to intake (still top-mounted) (Load temps: CPU: 49C GPU: 60C)

Now, threw in a Hyper 212+ (CPU: 55C GPU: 42C)

That, and going to a tower cooler after the past few years of: H60 --> H80 --> H100 ....it looks awesome in comparison rolleyes.gif

I now have (2x) 140mm Fractal (non-silent) intakes, (3x) 140mm Corsair AF's at the rear/top of the case ....the airflow is really nice.

The fans on the 212+ are (2x) 120mm Corsair SP's on 7v

So are the top 140mm Corsairs currently in exhaust, or intake mode?

I like those numbers... very interesting, indeed.
post #6138 of 16061
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Nice with additional fans but No dust filter love ? I would protect my pc from dust howeer I could wink.gif

Planning to redo the front panel with just accryllic.. but sealing off the holes with maybe a silverstone fan filter. But im still unsure.. Tried picturing out, kinda looks off smile.gif
post #6139 of 16061
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Hrm... Well I'm tending toward putting an H100i radiator at the front after all in push/pull (with Scythe Gentle Typhoons), since that's going to be a fairly thick slab to fit at the top otherwise. Not sure if I'd use the top fan openings then. I'm still trying to visualize the best way to set up airflow in that case. On one hand, my GPU is a reference GTX 660 Ti, so it will pull hot air out of the case, and it'd [probably] be good for it to have some high airflow intake fans at the front. On the other hand, maybe the H100i fans will be enough, since my CPU tends to run very cool with it, normally sub 50C in games.

I've been considering getting an Accelero Mono Plus for my GPU, but then the hot air would be dumped into the case, and with restricted airflow that R4 has, it might actually not help GPU temperatures. Unless I set up 2 exhaust fans at the top?

So many possibilities. And finally, I wonder how much of a difference it would make to open up the vents at the top and put fans there, as intake or exhaust. It would certainly be quieter with those vents closed, but not if it will choke the GPU. I'm afraid I'll have to play with configurations quite a bit, unless someone's already tested these possibilities to some extent and could comment.

Since Col5 linked this article a little while back, I've been rethinking how I originally planned to cool my case on both air and water. Paul (the author) found that fans worked best when working together, meaning they had to be close enough to form a concurrent stream or air flow. He illustrated this well when comparing side + rear fan to front + rear fan setups. It seemed that no matter what though, a side intake was the biggest positive impact on system temps. To me, this really gives some great incentive to put to market a 120mm fan mount that attaches to the vertical expansion slot, giving us a solid fan mount but still letting us take the side panel off easily.

Actually, S@wyer's post also brings up an interesting thought. The GPUs will be cooled by air inside the case, while the CPU would be cooled by the air outside or inside, with the H100 as intake or exhaust respectively. I wonder what his temps might look like with an exhaust fan thrown in the rear fan mount, or with a side intake like the bit-tech article describes. It may be that the tower cooler is simply providing an exhaust function that wasn't there with the two CLCs.

Both of these call into question the maxim that "positive pressure" is king for cooling...

(And we're sitting pretty with some of the most versatile cases for cooling options. Go us. thumb.gif)
    
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post #6140 of 16061
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So are the top 140mm Corsairs currently in exhaust, or intake mode?

I like those numbers... very interesting, indeed.

All 3x 140's are exhaust smile.gif
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