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Since Col5 linked this article a little while back, I've been rethinking how I originally planned to cool my case on both air and water. Paul (the author) found that fans worked best when working together, meaning they had to be close enough to form a concurrent stream or air flow. He illustrated this well when comparing side + rear fan to front + rear fan setups. It seemed that no matter what though, a side intake was the biggest positive impact on system temps. To me, this really gives some great incentive to put to market a 120mm fan mount that attaches to the vertical expansion slot, giving us a solid fan mount but still letting us take the side panel off easily.

Actually, S@wyer's post also brings up an interesting thought. The GPUs will be cooled by air inside the case, while the CPU would be cooled by the air outside or inside, with the H100 as intake or exhaust respectively. I wonder what his temps might look like with an exhaust fan thrown in the rear fan mount, or with a side intake like the bit-tech article describes. It may be that the tower cooler is simply providing an exhaust function that wasn't there with the two CLCs.

Both of these call into question the maxim that "positive pressure" is king for cooling...

(And we're sitting pretty with some of the most versatile cases for cooling options. Go us. thumb.gif)

I've abandoned the Positive Pressure anthem long ago after I got my BitFenix Prodigy case. Airflow is so limited there, especially on my model with the closed front, that my preference is to go for the best cooling rather than what will allow me to use a compressed air can less frequently. In any case, even when I had a Silverstone FT02-W, I had to use compressed air. I had the windowed model, and I could see all that accumulating dust on the illuminated acrylic quite well smile.gif And that case is ALL about positive pressure.

As for R4... I got the windowed model. I just love the looks of components too much. But I had the same thought: side intake would probably be great for a Reference nVidia GPU. It would possibly be detrimental for a non-reference card, however, as it could choke the airflow. As I understand it, non-reference cards, grab air from in front of the fans (from below, in this case) and exhaust it off to the sides, front, and back, to some extent. So having a fan blowing along the width of the card could be detrimental.

I believe in my case, with a reference card and a closed-loop CPU cooler, it would have been best to get the R4 with a side intake fan, use that fan for the GPU cooling (and the reference GPU would exhaust warm air out of the back of the case), put 2 high airflow 140mm intake fans at the front, and use the GPU cooler (H100i here) at the top as intake with one set of fans, exhausting that hot air out with a 140mm exhaust fan. But... I'm not doing that, as it stands =/
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Hey folks, I'm gonna have Dwood make me some stuff and I wanted to place them on a Arc Midi Windowed Side panel I've yet to buy. I was wondering if anyone could help me out and give me exact measurements from the window acrylic to the front and down, I was planning to have him make roughly those three on the bottom mock so any help would be greatly appreciated. I work grave so I'm off to be but thanks in advance. thumb.gif




P.S. Don't hate on my mad paint skills............ tongue.gif
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I was wondering if anyone could help me out and give me exact measurements from the window acrylic to the front and down

From the window to the front, there is 16,5 cm. and from the window to the bottom, there is 10,5 cm
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Just finished placing the on/off switch module in the top of my Core 1000 biggrin.gif
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Just finished placing the on/off switch module in the top of my Core 1000 biggrin.gif

Really nice mod thumb.gif
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Hrm... Well I'm tending toward putting an H100i radiator at the front after all in push/pull (with Scythe Gentle Typhoons), since that's going to be a fairly thick slab to fit at the top otherwise. Not sure if I'd use the top fan openings then. I'm still trying to visualize the best way to set up airflow in that case. On one hand, my GPU is a reference GTX 660 Ti, so it will pull hot air out of the case, and it'd [probably] be good for it to have some high airflow intake fans at the front. On the other hand, maybe the H100i fans will be enough, since my CPU tends to run very cool with it, normally sub 50C in games.

I've been considering getting an Accelero Mono Plus for my GPU, but then the hot air would be dumped into the case, and with restricted airflow that R4 has, it might actually not help GPU temperatures. Unless I set up 2 exhaust fans at the top?

So many possibilities. And finally, I wonder how much of a difference it would make to open up the vents at the top and put fans there, as intake or exhaust. It would certainly be quieter with those vents closed, but not if it will choke the GPU. I'm afraid I'll have to play with configurations quite a bit, unless someone's already tested these possibilities to some extent and could comment.

While reading your post The Mod came to my mind..
Maybe you would be interested because it Looks nice and puts out amazing temperatures!
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post #6146 of 16052
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Speaking of fans, would anyone with FD R4 comment on the included fans? I was planning on combining them at the top or at the front for intake, depending on where I put my radiator. Putting a 14cm Phanteks fan into the rear exhaust position. Should I invest in better fans, or are the FD Define R4 ones pretty good?
I have not been overly impressed by three stock R4 fans, BUT I am also using them behind the front fan filters. This is not a good arrangement as the stock fans are not high static pressure fans and front fans on the R3 / R4 case have a lot of restriction to overcome. My main annoyance is that they are not quiet at all, even dropped to 7 and 5v.

I also have to give credit where it's due to Fractal: the front fan mount is very secure and doesn't appear to transmit much, if any, vibration to the case or air as audible noise.
Scan has TY-147 black/white fans on for £5.87 For front fans you will need to mod the by cutting them square. They work very well and fit everywhere else.

The square mod is done by clamping fan on a good miter saw with good carbide blade or on sliding fixture on a table saw and cut just to the inner circle of housing. Could do it with a belt sander too I suppose.. but be very careful about melting plastic.. Done properly you can clip the fan into the R4 front on newly cut sides.
Edited by doyll - 2/11/13 at 11:48am
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My front for now

Yes, its messy and weird, but This is my test-case tongue.gif
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H100 to 212+ swap, new RAM heat-sinks, & case lighting this week!

Pictures coming soon! wheee.gif
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H100 to 212+ swap

Why H100 to 212+?
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Why H100 to 212+?

http://www.overclock.net/t/838683/fractal-design-case-club/6130#post_19261918

For my setup (2x 680 DCII cards SLI = vents hot air into the case) I get improved systems temps with a 212+ over my H100 (in any configuration, see above post)

I also just happened to have 2 of these on hand (from different test-builds)...I may be in the market for another 120mm tower cooler if there is a better option out there.
(I would have to stick to a single "fin-stack" 120mm unit, as any larger would hit my top card XD)
Edited by S@wyer - 2/11/13 at 2:55pm
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