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Ya, got some shiet today.

Tommorrow mah 2x 780s will arrive so cool biggrin.gif Bitspower y u so shiny.



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Originally Posted by steelkevin View Post

After 4 hours of testing split in two sessions of 2 hours each with an idle time of about on hour in between I have results on the impact of the Arc Midi's dust filters.
You have to take into account that I didn't remove just the dust filters so results could be influenced by the addition of the mesh too (top pannel and front magnetic mesh/filter).
The filters were cleaned and absolutely dust free.
The ambient temp remained between 25.9°C and 26.6°C throughout the entire testing.


Without dust filters:
-HWMonitor: 66° | 64° | 61° | 64°
-RealTemp: 66° | 64° | 61° | 64°
-HWiNFO64: 65° | 64° | 62° | 64°

With dust filters:
-HWMonitor: 71° | 70° | 66° | 70°
-RealTemp: 71° | 70° | 66° | 71°
-HWiNFO64: 70° | 70° | 67° | 71°


Conclusion: the use of the Arc Midi R2's stock Dust Filters increase CPU temperature by 5-7°C.

These results may vary depending on your setup. I have a front 280mm rad in push/pull pulling out into the case through the front dust filter and another 280mm in push pushing the air out through the top dust filter.

Interesting. Was that with both the top and front dust filter off?

I'm building a computer with the Arc Midi R2 and been having trouble deciding on which fans to buy because of the dust filters. First I bought two Corsair AF 140 mm to use for top exhaust. But once I got the case and looked at the dust filters, which do look quite airflow impeding, I returned those and got two Corsair SP120 mm. The static pressure needed to blow through those filters has to be pretty high, right?

I'm kind of disappointed in Fractal Design for not letting use remove the top dust filter (without removing the entire top panel). It's not like we are going to get tons of dust into exhaust fans. Even if they, for some reason, had to include dust filter, why use such restricting ones for primarily exhaust fans?

I like silent cases, but I like airflow better. Has anyone use tweezers to remove the dust filter covering the top exhaust fans?
Edited by Saliciouscrumbs - 8/19/13 at 12:08pm
post #8873 of 16136
These numbers seem a bit drastic.
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Originally Posted by Saliciouscrumbs View Post

Interesting. Was that with both the top and front dust filter off?

I'm building a computer with the Arc Midi R2 and been having trouble deciding on which fans to buy because of the dust filters. First I bought two Corsair AF 140 mm to use for top exhaust. But once I got the case and looked at the dust filters, which do look quite airflow impeding, I returned those and got two Corsair SP120 mm. The static pressure needed to blow through those filters has to be pretty high, right?

I'm kind of disappointed in Fractal Design for not letting use remove the top dust filter (without removing the entire top panel). It's not like we are going to get tons of dust into exhaust fans. Even if they, for some reason, had to include dust filter, why use such restricting ones for primarily exhaust fans?

Both smile.gif.

And you can remove the dust filters without removing the entire pannels or mesh. The top dust filter I'm pretty sure I could just pull out easily. The front one may require more strength and may not just come off in one single piece. To remove them all you have to do is bend the little piece of mesh that are bent over the plastic which will allow you to seperate the plastic frame and mesh and then you can just remove the dust filter. It might be glued on to the plastic frame but I doubt it, it doesn't feel like it is.


By the way, since the top rad is exhausting I think my results would've been the same without removing the top pannel / dust filter or leaving it on throughout the entire testing. I wouldn't remove it anyway because while your fans may be exhausting and preventing air from falling in once your computer is powered off nothing's stopping it from just raining down. The front dust filter is a different story though, without the dust filter, dust would be pulled inside the case and / or rad but when the computer is off it wouldn't. I'll see what I decide once I get a watercooled GPU in there smile.gif.

Removing the dust filters would have an aestetical impact too. Whether positive or not is up to personnal preference. The dust filters being so thick, black, etc... stops you from seeing through the mesh. Removing them would mean you'd see the case chassis and if we're talking about the front filter, your front fans.
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These numbers seem a bit drastic.

Well there wouldn't be much point in posting them if they weren't. I would've either said nothing or posted that the Midi R2's dust filters had barely any impact on temperatures.
Believe whatever you want, you don't have to take my word or results for fact. You can do your own testing if you wish too but I benefit in no way from sharing those findings with people I don't know nor will ever meet.
Edited by steelkevin - 8/19/13 at 12:22pm
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Both smile.gif.

And you can remove the dust filters without removing the entire pannels or mesh. The top dust filter I'm pretty sure I could just pull out easily. The front one may require more strength and may not just come off in one single piece. To remove them all you have to do is bend the little piece of mesh that are bent over the plastic which will allow you to seperate the plastic frame and mesh and then you can just remove the dust filter. It might be glued on to the plastic frame but I doubt it, it doesn't feel like it is.

By the way, since the top rad is exhausting I think my results would've been the same without removing the top pannel / dust filter or leaving it on throughout the entire testing. I wouldn't remove it anyway because while your fans may be exhausting and preventing air from falling in once your computer is powered off nothing's stopping it from just raining down. The front dust filter is a different story though, without the dust filter, dust would be pulled inside the case and / or rad but when the computer is off it wouldn't. I'll see what I decide once I get a watercooled GPU in there smile.gif.

Ugh, I hate dust, I would never in a million years not use dust filter for the front. I've seen some pictures or heard people comment that there are white circles of dust in the front after awhile. Just think of the dust that would be in the case without the filters. No, front filters are needed, what I'm a little bit against are the top filters since they are less important. Besides, I think they should/could have just used less restricting filters if they had to use filters.
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Removing the dust filters would have an aestetical impact too. Whether positive or not is up to personnal preference. The dust filters being so thick, black, etc... stops you from seeing through the mesh. Removing them would mean you'd see the case chassis and if we're talking about the front filter, your front fans.

Removing the top filters would be less of an impact than the front since my case is going to sit on my desk, I doubt I would see into the case, unless I'm standing right next to it and looking down. I'm not going to remove anything though, not yet, not until I've tested my temps. I got myself a 770 with an aftermarket cooler that's going to blow it's hot air inside the case. Hope my temps wont be too bad, in spite of the filters.
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Believe whatever you want, you don't have to take my word or results for fact. You can do your own testing if you wish too but I benefit in no way from sharing those findings with people I don't know nor will ever meet.

Sorry not doubting you, just looking at this and thinking WOW.
post #8877 of 16136
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Originally Posted by Saliciouscrumbs View Post

Interesting. Was that with both the top and front dust filter off?

I'm building a computer with the Arc Midi R2 and been having trouble deciding on which fans to buy because of the dust filters. First I bought two Corsair AF 140 mm to use for top exhaust. But once I got the case and looked at the dust filters, which do look quite airflow impeding, I returned those and got two Corsair SP120 mm. The static pressure needed to blow through those filters has to be pretty high, right?

I'm kind of disappointed in Fractal Design for not letting use remove the top dust filter (without removing the entire top panel). It's not like we are going to get tons of dust into exhaust fans. Even if they, for some reason, had to include dust filter, why use such restricting ones for primarily exhaust fans?

I like silent cases, but I like airflow better. Has anyone use tweezers to remove the dust filter covering the top exhaust fans?

hey bud...just remove the top panel and bend the taps back...then remove the metal screen. the filter is under it.

i did this to my arc mini and plan on doing it to my r2. i just cut a piece of black project board to fill the gap that is left from removing the filter. you'll see what i mean when you remove the filter. hope that helps you out.

i have a post with some pictures on here where i made my own fan filters to. theres pictures and all....but you'll have to find that one on your own biggrin.gif


here it is....
http://www.overclock.net/t/838683/fractal-design-case-club/920
Edited by toyz72 - 8/19/13 at 1:54pm
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My server build so far, PSU is arriving tomorrow

Even with a huge case E-ATX mobo's make it look small
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So a few pages back there was a discussion about keeping hard drives in the 5.25" drive bays. I just solved my own puzzle involving this, so I thought I'd share. I wanted to keep a HDD that runs hot (WD Black) in one of the 5.25" bays with acceptable temperatures (40 C or less). I wanted to do this without sacrificing my DVD burner, and without resorting to one of those cheap-looking bay cooling contraptions with loud tiny fans.

First I bought one of these Akasa HDD adapters, and shoved the HDD in the bay underneath my DVD burner. I was alarmed to see that the drive easily reached 49 C in its new home. This wasn't acceptable to me, so I next tried these Akasa HDD heatsinks instead. That gave a small improvement, dropping the temperature down to 45 C, but that still wasn't good enough. So I started contemplating either buying a bay cooler, getting rid of my DVD drive to give the HDD more room to breathe, or even giving up and reinstalling the bottom hard drive cage. thumbsdownsmileyanim.gif:

Then it dawned on me: There is a perfectly good fan mount above the drive cages! doh.gif

I had a couple of the stock fans that came with my Arc Midi R2 laying around, so I used one of those. It fits very well next to the upper radiator with a couple mm to spare.



Looks like there will be plenty of space!



Hard drive is back in the Akasa HDD adapter.



With both the DVD burner and HDD installed, there is about 1/2 inch clearance between the fan and the hard drive.



Nothing's perfect! The PSU connector and the radiator are too close for comfort. I had to force the PSU connector down slightly and it seems to be okay.



The end result: Better than I could have hoped! The hard drive is now topping out at a frosty 32 C. And at 7 volts, the new fan adds no noise to my system.

As a bonus, since the topic was recently on dust filters, I figured I would take a picture of the "white circle" effect that shows up on the filters. I personally love the thick mesh filters. Sure they block some air flow, but look at all that dust that is kept out of my case! The top dust filter is probably my favorite feature of the Arc Midi R2. I don't know of any other case that puts filters on the top. I'm a fan of positive pressure so I now have 5 intake fans (4 on rads), and they are all filtered. thumb.gif

post #8880 of 16136
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Hey guys, I'm pretty new to OCN.

I just bought an R4 and I'm just wondering what is the optimal airflow configuration for the R4?
I'm planning on using the 2 stocks fans. 1 in the back pushing air out of the case and moving the one in the front to the higher slot pulling air in. Also I'm buying 2 of the same 140mm fans to push air out the top of the case, and just covering the bottom fan hole with one of the moduvent sound dampeners. I'll be connecting the front, and top 2 fans to the case's fan controller.

Specs:
Mobo: MSI H87M-G43 mATX
CPU: i5-4670k (Planning to overclock to 4.2GHz)
Cooler: Zalman CNPS9900 MAX Red
RAM: Corsair Vengeance 8GB
HDD: Seagate Barracuda 1TB
PSU: Cougar RS 650W

I'm saving up to get a 79xx series GPU soon.
Would my airflow be good enough for my setup?
You won't be able to do any overclocking on an H87 motherboard.
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