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So this looks like my final upgrade for quite long. I figured out the LEDs, and like it. I added Vibration Killer, chaged outtake from Noiseblocker PK-1 to E-Loop (it look better).
With fans at 5V from case regulator it's completely quiet. At 7V you can hear the air fans keep pushing.
If you only have one drive, remove the bottom HDD cage and put the ssd in the ODD bay. That way you increase the airflow inside the case.
You can also remove the plastic mount under the optical bay and on the lower cage.

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Question Midi R2 users

In some videos it looks to me like the front dust filter is like foam or something like that...

it is foam ?? and if it is...it is hard to clean and remove ??
It foam, so it should be washable.
i just use a vacuum.
    
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post #8892 of 16136
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Question Midi R2 users

In some videos it looks to me like the front dust filter is like foam or something like that...

it is foam ?? and if it is...it is hard to clean and remove ??

It is made of foam and it's about 1/8" thick. The best way to clean it (imo) is to run it under some water and let it air dry. The filter is somewhat restrictive, but it does a really good job collecting dust. It's the best dust filter I've ever used thumb.gif
    
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post #8893 of 16136
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The leds look pretty nice. Which ones did you use?

it's a 12V strip, from a tiny shop in a shopping center, 3 leds/5cm, lower brightness... I'll add photo after work...
they are very easy to use, you just need to make your own connector...
I also have 2 meters of them with even lower brightness behind monitor, I use them at night, no need to use old noisy neon light (dorm room)...
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Question Midi R2 users

In some videos it looks to me like the front dust filter is like foam or something like that...

it is foam ?? and if it is...it is hard to clean and remove ??

yep it's something like a foam... it's easy to clean if you use something like compressed air (in can) or compressor, but you can also wash it with water and let it dry...
I've never tried removing it, but check pages before, there have been guys replacing it with something less restricting...
I like it stock, because pc is in dust heavy room, and it just does its job wink.gif
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If you only have one drive, remove the bottom HDD cage and put the ssd in the ODD bay. That way you increase the airflow inside the case.
You can also remove the plastic mount under the optical bay and on the lower cage.

I have 3,5" hdd in 5,25" place, I have thought of removing that cage totally, but it'd look wierd with nothing in there biggrin.gif so I decided to leave SSD there...
I don't have any temperature issues (idle under 40°C on everything), so no need to removing because of that...
that plastic mount has normal screws? where? I put my pc under the desk and don't want to rip it apart again biggrin.gif
Edited by Slayerik - 8/20/13 at 9:28pm
post #8894 of 16136
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After 4 hours of testing split in two sessions of 2 hours each with an idle time of about on hour in between I have results on the impact of the Arc Midi's dust filters.
You have to take into account that I didn't remove just the dust filters so results could be influenced by the addition of the mesh too (top pannel and front magnetic mesh/filter).
The filters were cleaned and absolutely dust free.
The ambient temp remained between 25.9°C and 26.6°C throughout the entire testing.


Without dust filters:
-HWMonitor: 66° | 64° | 61° | 64°
-RealTemp: 66° | 64° | 61° | 64°
-HWiNFO64: 65° | 64° | 62° | 64°

With dust filters:
-HWMonitor: 71° | 70° | 66° | 70°
-RealTemp: 71° | 70° | 66° | 71°
-HWiNFO64: 70° | 70° | 67° | 71°


Conclusion: the use of the Arc Midi R2's stock Dust Filters increase CPU temperature by 5-7°C.

These results may vary depending on your setup. I have a front 280mm rad in push/pull pulling out into the case through the front dust filter and another 280mm in push pushing the air out through the top dust filter.

Sir, would you mind run a test with the front filter but without the top filter?

I already have a watercooling parts except the case, Arc midi r2 would available next month, my loop plan is 240 front intake, 120 bottom intake and 240 on top as exhaust, and my plan to add default front filters and bottom + additional filter like this or this , I consider it because I live in very dusty area, what do you think? is it necessary? with your post im so worried about the rising temperature of my pc
Edited by serafim - 8/20/13 at 10:06pm
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post #8895 of 16136
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Sir, would you mind run a test with the front filter but without the top filter?

I already have a watercooling parts except the case, Arc midi r2 would available next month, my loop plan is 240 front intake, 120 bottom intake and 240 on top as exhaust, and my plan to add default front filters and bottom + additional filter like this or this , I consider it because I live in very dusty area, what do you think? is it necessary? with your post im so worried about the rising temperature of my pc

I could do that tomorrow if you really want me to but I really don't think removing only the top one would make any difference at all.
My top 280 rad (people save yourself all the trouble and just consider the Arc Midi R2 not compatible with top 280mm rads unless you want a slim one) is exhausting. Which means that it's taking the air from inside the case and pushing it through the rad. Which means that air goes through the dust filter after having cooled the rad. If my top rad was intaking as I originally planned it would most likely matter but as it is (and as yours will be) it really wouldn't change much at all.

I'd also like to add that all my fans are running on the lowest possible setting (5V on the stock fan controller), if you run your fans faster the impact of the dust filter would probably not be as big (but I'm just guessing here).
I've got an i7-860 CPU which is a hot CPU, mine is a bad chip that overclock's poorly and generates quite the amount of heat. It's currently overclocked to 3.8GHz (which is my daily stable overclock, I'm still trying to reach the 4GHz barrier but I'm not quite there yet).
Those temperatures are Max Temps reached during 2 hours of Maximum Xtreme mode IBT. So obviously, unless you fold all day long or mine, those values won't be reached. With the dust filters and around the same ambient as in the testing BF3 after hours won't heat the CPU above 60°C and is around 55° Max.
While running IBT, my GPU is idle which isn't the case while playing BF3, with its fan running pretty fast it sits around 80°C (a bit over actually) and that heat goes right through the top rad.

All that to say that if I were you I wouldn't worry, even if you're going to be folding / mining all day long.

I'm really sorry that my testing and results got you worried tongue.gif.
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post #8896 of 16136
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I could do that tomorrow if you really want me to but I really don't think removing only the top one would make any difference at all.
My top 280 rad (people save yourself all the trouble and just consider the Arc Midi R2 not compatible with top 280mm rads unless you want a slim one) is exhausting. Which means that it's taking the air from inside the case and pushing it through the rad. Which means that air goes through the dust filter after having cooled the rad. If my top rad was intaking as I originally planned it would most likely matter but as it is (and as yours will be) it really wouldn't change much at all.

I'd also like to add that all my fans are running on the lowest possible setting (5V on the stock fan controller), if you run your fans faster the impact of the dust filter would probably not be as big (but I'm just guessing here).
I've got an i7-860 CPU which is a hot CPU, mine is a bad chip that overclock's poorly and generates quite the amount of heat. It's currently overclocked to 3.8GHz (which is my daily stable overclock, I'm still trying to reach the 4GHz barrier but I'm not quite there yet).
Those temperatures are Max Temps reached during 2 hours of Maximum Xtreme mode IBT. So obviously, unless you fold all day long or mine, those values won't be reached. With the dust filters and around the same ambient as in the testing BF3 after hours won't heat the CPU above 60°C and is around 55° Max.
While running IBT, my GPU is idle which isn't the case while playing BF3, with its fan running pretty fast it sits around 80°C (a bit over actually) and that heat goes right through the top rad.

All that to say that if I were you I wouldn't worry, even if you're going to be folding / mining all day long.

I'm really sorry that my testing and results got you worried tongue.gif.

Another reason I want to use additional filters is because I use a fairly strong fan for all radiators except the exhaust, Delta AFB1212SH with 3400 RPM 113 CFM and 11 mmH20 static preasure and I will run it at full speed, the results of the test you just surprised me, I did not expect that fan filter can raise the temperature so high, I want to get the temperature of my pc as low as possible with minimal dust, maybe you could also include a test with the top radiator as an intake but using a filter, it would be very helpful tongue.gif
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post #8897 of 16136
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Another reason I want to use additional filters is because I use a fairly strong fan for all radiators except the exhaust, Delta AFB1212SH with 3400 RPM 113 CFM and 11 mmH20 static preasure and I will run it at full speed, the results of the test you just surprised me, I did not expect that fan filter can raise the temperature so high, I want to get the temperature of my pc as low as possible with minimal dust, maybe you could also include a test with the top radiator as an intake but using a filter, it would be very helpful tongue.gif

Wow ! I would never be able to tolerate such high speed fans, especially if water cooling tongue.gif.

Unfortunately, I can't have the top radiator fans set up that way (as I said in my previous post, if you can avoid using 280mm rads up top, do so) for many reasons:
-the rear fan is already squashed and not screwed in, if the fans were above the radiator it would be impossible to have a rear fan.
-one out of two of the radiator's 1/4 threads would be completely blocked by the reservoir and the rad wouldn't be usable.
-the rad would put too much pressure on the ram and it could damage the ram slots and/or ram.
-the tube that goes from my rop rad to my front one would be totally kinked and would block or seriously hinder water flow
etc...

If I were you I'd be more worried about headaches than the impact the dust filters could have on your temps ^^.
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post #8898 of 16136
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Wow ! I would never be able to tolerate such high speed fans, especially if water cooling tongue.gif.

Unfortunately, I can't have the top radiator fans set up that way (as I said in my previous post, if you can avoid using 280mm rads up top, do so) for many reasons:
-the rear fan is already squashed and not screwed in, if the fans were above the radiator it would be impossible to have a rear fan.
-one out of two of the radiator's 1/4 threads would be completely blocked by the reservoir and the rad wouldn't be usable.
-the rad would put too much pressure on the ram and it could damage the ram slots and/or ram.
-the tube that goes from my rop rad to my front one would be totally kinked and would block or seriously hinder water flow
etc...

If I were you I'd be more worried about headaches than the impact the dust filters could have on your temps ^^.

I've tried the fan, and I think I can deal with it kungfu.gif
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I have the R4 and I moved the bottom hard drive cage over to the middle position and now my case is making this HUMMMMM sound. When I pick the front end of the case up, it stops. I put 4 rubber washers between the cage and the case when I installed it. Anyone know why it's doing this? I'm about to remove it and take out the rubber washers after I post this.

post #8900 of 16136
If you are going to remove the foam filters, you do still have a way to filter, Demciflex makes a full set for the Arc Midi. It is a fine mesh, not foam, so it does not impede air flow like the foam does.
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