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Then buy some 280mm radiators man, that's still a crime. Putting 120mm on Define R4, crime against Fractal Design and better air flow.
Absolutely not, 120mm fan are much more efficient on rads (static pressure). Plus I love my noiseblocker e-loop !
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this setup looks kewl biggrin.gif does ocz include them or u can buy them separately? biggrin.gif
OCZ include those bracket, I had an agility 3, vertex 3 max iops, vertex 4 and then those 2 vector, each one came with a bracket. No idea if they are available separately. wink.gif
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Absolutely not, 120mm fan are much more efficient on rads (static pressure). Plus I love my noiseblocker e-loop

Well, i see that you don't know what are you talking about. Good luck with that crime on water cooling.
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Then buy some 280mm radiators man, that's still a crime. Putting 120mm on Define R4, crime against Fractal Design and better air flow.
Absolutely not, 120mm fan are much more efficient on rads (static pressure). Plus I love my noiseblocker e-loop !

You are very very very very very mistaken about this. Besides static pressure is a misleading measurement and how much it matters has a whole lot to do with fin spacing. Pretty much though ALL 140x2 radiators outperform 120x2 radiators.

A 140x2 radiator has 39,200 mm of radiator surface area a 120x3 has 43,200 so how tiny do you think a 120x2 is? 28,800 mm Do you still want to say that a 120 out performs a 140? By that thinking a 80mm radiator should out perform a 120 since an 80 is going to have a higher static pressure.
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Why are most people using 240 radiators if 280 is superior?
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The 140mm rad would have more surface area than a 120mm, this is true, however, the 120mm fans that push through said radiator are more efficient/effective than their 140mm counterparts. The fans have better static pressure, this is fact. If you were adding a 140mm size rad (or 280) you would want one designed for slower speed fans in order to get good performance from most 140mm fans on the market.

There are plenty of instances were a 120mm setup could outperform a 140mm setup. Size isn't everything, lol!

A good example would be the swiftech h220(240mm)vs the kraken x60/corsair h110(280mm).
Edited by gdubc - 9/10/13 at 6:40am
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Why are most people using 240 radiators if 280 is superior?

because of not enough room for 280mm?
because of more money?

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The 140mm rad would have more surface area than a 120mm, this is true, however, the 120mm fans that push through said radiator are more efficient/effective than their 140mm counterparts. The fans have better static pressure, this is fact. If you were adding a 140mm size rad (or 280) you would want one designed for slower speed fans in order to get good performance from most 140mm fans on the market.

There are plenty of instances were a 120mm setup could outperform a 140mm setup. Size isn't everything, lol!

A good example would be the swiftech h220(240mm)vs the kraken x60/corsair h110(280mm).

Why slower speed fans to get good performance on 140mm rads? Isn't the radiator FPI designed which fans to work better.
Your example because they are diff manufacturers + diff models. To be fair, use XSPC RX240 vs XSPC RX280 or other same brand/model to compare.
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post #9237 of 16136
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because of not enough room for 280mm?
because of more money?
Why slower speed fans to get good performance on 140mm rads? Isn't the radiator FPI designed which fans to work better.
Your example because they are diff manufacturers + diff models. To be fair, use XSPC RX240 vs XSPC RX280 or other same brand/model to compare.
I meant that it would be better to get a rad designed to work with slower fan speeds because almost all 140mm fans are outperformed by their 120mm counterparts. They just don't have the static pressure to work well with a lot of the rads out there.

I work with fans/ventilation quite a bit in other areas of my life and I can tell you that when it comes to fans, static pressure is very important.

As for my example, it still shows how a 240 can outperform more than just one 280. Different manufacturers should mean nothing here since there aren't any comparisons you can do with same parts all the way around. That's the main point here. There just aren't any 140mm fans that are a comparable to the 120mm versions.

For instance, you could get an aquacomputer rad in a 240 and also a 280. You could put some gentle typhoons or sp120s on the 240, but what would you then put on the 280 for the comparison?

My main point is that all these different components are good, but they need all the pieces to be working together properly to get a good result. If you don't get a 140mm fan with good static pressure, you aren't going to get a good result from just any 280 rad.
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post #9238 of 16136
I'm not sure if Akasa Viper can do better than GT or SP120. But at least they are some high static pressure 140mm fans out there.
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Vipers are ok but overrated. The specs on the box are waaaaaaay overhyped. Not really much of a comparison to the scythes anyhow. At this point in time its much easier to get a good static pressure fan in the 120mm size.

I bought 4 sp120 pwm edition fans for about 13 dollars each and there is no way I could get a 140mm fan that could outperform them at that price, let alone a pwm version.
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Why are most people using 240 radiators if 280 is superior?

I guessing it's because most cases have more mounts for 120mm fans then 140's. Along with other clearance issues with the radiators being lager then the fan size the take 140 rad mounting is very limited.
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