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http://forums.pureoverclock.com/cooling/5123-120-vs-140-radiator-test.html

This sums it up quite nicely. Compares a 120 vs a 140 and uses a shroud adapter to cross check the 140 fan on the 120 radiator and the 120 fan on the 140 radiator.

Pretty clear that CFM and rad space wins this argument.

Any of you who still think 120 is better then come up with better evidence than 2 different branded AIOs!!!!
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Doh! I am not saying that is the case. Re read past posts and this is easy to see.

My posts have not been about which is better, but instead l am pointing out the fact that many other factors are involved. One can't just go buy a 280mm rad with a couple 140mm fans and expect better performance.
Edited by gdubc - 9/10/13 at 8:46am
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I read your post.
Akasa Viper rated higher pressure than the GT-AP15 and SP120. You can put Akasa Viper on 280mm radiator.
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I read your post.
Akasa Viper rated higher pressure than the GT-AP15 and SP120. You can put Akasa Viper on 280mm radiator.
Just because the box claims a certain thing doesn't mean anything. Check some reviews like Martins if you really want to see how those vipers compare. Im not trying to argue anything with anyone here, just trying to clear up some blanketed statements that don't always apply in all instances.
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Originally Posted by givmedew View Post

http://forums.pureoverclock.com/cooling/5123-120-vs-140-radiator-test.html

This sums it up quite nicely. Compares a 120 vs a 140 and uses a shroud adapter to cross check the 140 fan on the 120 radiator and the 120 fan on the 140 radiator.

Pretty clear that CFM and rad space wins this argument.

Any of you who still think 120 is better then come up with better evidence than 2 different branded AIOs!!!!
I read that review, and while informative it is not definitive. His testing method was the best he could do, but it was far from being ideal. Don't get me wrong, I am not saying that 120 is better than 140. Obviously, if all other factors could be the same, more surface area would relate to better cooling. I'm am just saying that there are other factors to consider.

It would be nice to see something with proper tools to measure the results and having more of a controlled environment. Also, it would be nice to see one with some of the newer equipment as there are many more options now than there were in 2008.
Edited by gdubc - 9/10/13 at 9:25am
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Do you have link for the Viper 14cm review?
I have 6x on my top SR1 420mm radiator, I knew they moved ton of air and work really well with slowest speed which I wanted for quiet computer.
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Do you have link for the Viper 14cm review?
I have 6x on my top SR1 420mm radiator, I knew they moved ton of air and work really well with slowest speed which I wanted for quiet computer.

Check on martinsliquidlab and you can get a lot of good fan info and test results.
I was looking for good 140mm fans a while back and can't remember for sure where I got all the info to be honest.

Its not that the vipers are bad, I just meant they were overrated from the box specs. They are good fans, just not the best static pressure ones out there.The bgears blasters are supposed to be some of the best static pressure 140mm fans but they are not pwm and their reliability is questionable. I put two of them on my kraken x40 and they have done a good job for the last 8 months, but my mob is Asus, so they run full blast. That nzxt one was as loud as a rocket though, and two of the bgears on full are less noisy to my ear. I recently got these
and they are pwm and supposed to have good static pressure but I still haven't gotten the time to try them. Also, even though they are 140mm, they have 120mm size mounting holes, so I am going to have to make a little bracket so it will fit on the kraken rad without being restricted like it would be if I used the common adapters.
Edited by gdubc - 9/10/13 at 9:53am
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The 140mm rad would have more surface area than a 120mm, this is true, however, the 120mm fans that push through said radiator are more efficient/effective than their 140mm counterparts. The fans have better static pressure, this is fact. If you were adding a 140mm size rad (or 280) you would want one designed for slower speed fans in order to get good performance from most 140mm fans on the market.

There are plenty of instances were a 120mm setup could outperform a 140mm setup. Size isn't everything, lol!

A good example would be the swiftech h220(240mm)vs the kraken x60/corsair h110(280mm).

The thing is you DON'T need "most of" the 140mm fans on the market. Following that logic I could say that people shouldn't build mATX rigs because most mATX motherboards are worse than their ATX counterparts. It's stupid.
You then follow up trying to make a point comparing All in One 140mm watercoolers (i.e. fake / rubbish coolers not worthy of the name watercooler) against a "proper" water cooling loop. It's like saying a big dog won't stand a chance against a wild wolf so it's weak.
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Doh! I am not saying that is the case. Re read past posts and this is easy to see.

My posts have not been about which is better, but instead l am pointing out the fact that many other factors are involved. One can't just go buy a 280mm rad with a couple 140mm fans and expect better performance.
Thing is, people who get into watercooling DO research and don't just pick any 140mm fan off the shelf. So you're point is invalid. Once again.
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The thing is you DON'T need "most of" the 140mm fans on the market. Following that logic I could say that people shouldn't build mATX rigs because most mATX motherboards are worse than their ATX counterparts. It's stupid.
You then follow up trying to make a point comparing All in One 140mm watercoolers (i.e. fake / rubbish coolers not worthy of the name watercooler) against a "proper" water cooling loop. It's like saying a big dog won't stand a chance against a wild wolf so it's weak.
Thing is, people who get into watercooling DO research and don't just pick any 140mm fan off the shelf. So you're point is invalid. Once again.
My point is there are other factors to consider, how is this invalid?
Like I said before, i was never trying to argue anything with anyone about what would be better, only that there are other things to consider. This is the fractal thread and not the watercooling thread, so not everyone on here is going to be so knowledgeable about it.

Just not so sure what you are going on about.
I don't even know what you are trying to say in the first part of your post. My bringing up the other coolers was to prove my point that it doesn't all come down to size. No need to take the piss when I am just trying to clarify some things for others.
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The testing was not perfect but I would say it is definitive. Also I would like to define static pressure to you so you understand what it means. Pressure and static pressure don't necessarily mean the same thing. Static pressure is pressure but pressure doesn't necessarily mean static pressure. Static pressure is measured with no flow so 0 CFM at 100% fan speed. It doesn't perfectly apply to a fan on a radiator. We can assume that a fan with a higher static pressure is going to have more pressure while on the radiator but that is an assumption. Also what makes a fan have good static pressure has a lot to do with things that also make the fan flow more air (blade profile and rpm).

A 140mm fan that has 60cfm ability is going to have less pressure than a 120mm fan that has 60cfm ability but it is also going to be running at a lower RPM and noise.

A 140mm fan and a 120mm with similar blade design and noise output are going to have similar pressure levels but the 140mm is going to be moving a lot more air.

In other words in nearly all situations a 140mm radiator and fan is going to outperform a 120mm at the same noise level.

If you still don't understand and buy into this then do yourself a favor and swap out your radiator for a double thick dual 80mm radiator since it will obviously perform better.

Anytime you can run a 140x2 over a 120x2 then you should do so unless you already own the 120x2 radiator.
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