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post #9441 of 16063
but not any case is supposed to stop noise.
anyway r2 arc midi and r4 define is same price where i live, so if any1 has argument as to why i shud pick r4 let me know.

i find the three vents at top of r2 arc awesome cause then there will be one vent (one in middle) without a fan. ill use reartop for exhaust and first vent at top as intake possibly noctua 140mm without any noise adapter for static pressure sake.
with r4 define ud not have the same thing.

though r4 has nicer design and sound dampening.

ill prolly use headset also so sound dampening becomes useless.
post #9442 of 16063
the 3rd vent is ok, it is above the ODD bay, so cooling or exhaust is not going to be helpful.
The R2 has more flexibility with air cooling, as to watercooling also.
    
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The define r4 is like a simplified but refined midir2.
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post #9444 of 16063
i think its good to have a fan installed at were odrive is at, noctua 140m nf a14 flx witjout noise adapter.
air can be inhaled in and then drawn towards cpu. and since its far away from reartop exhaust the likelyhood of hot air being inhaled back in is less.

ill remove top hdd cage (dont need it) and reposition lower one. by doing the latter i wont be able to use bottom intake vent but i feel the same way about this vent as i do about instaling intake next to exhaust at top.
with psu exhausting and narrow space at bottom i dont find it ideal for a intake unless i must.

but i have following setup in mind:
140mm x 2 front stockfan brand INTAKE
140mm Noctua a14 flx without noise adapter 1.50staticpressure above odrive INTAKE

and 140mm stock fans at top rear and rear exhaust

thats around 200cfm intake vs 100cfm exhaust. some of intake air will be taken by components and filters. but still shud be positive pressure.
Edited by Rar4f - 9/19/13 at 12:45pm
post #9445 of 16063
200cfm intake it is not. What it says on the box is not what it actually is. Most specs are done in open bench, once behind grills and filters those numbers change dramatically.
Take a look at my system, you will see how I have my fans setup.
The one in the ODD really do not do anything, and I would leave is empty.
    
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post #9446 of 16063
thanks for enlightening me. but the point still stands, intake will be more than exhaust, but why not have a fan installed at odrive area? is it really that bad spot even with a fan with high static pressure?
post #9447 of 16063
All the air is doing is siting in an area where there is nothing. That area the fan is not lines up with the others, so it sits farther back.
I have tried it there, did nothing for airflow and temps.
If you looked at my setup you will see only exhaust is the rear. The rest is all intake.
    
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post #9448 of 16063
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Originally Posted by gdubc View Post

The define r4 is like a simplified but refined midir2.

Basically. Aren't they almost identical inside?
    
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post #9449 of 16063
I tried building a rig with m specs but it's not showing up for some reason so I'm posting here as to what else I have.

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CPU: Intel Core i5-3570K Ivy Bridge 3.4GHz (3.8GHz Turbo) LGA 1155 77W Quad-Core Desktop Processor Intel HD Graphics 4000 BX80637I53570K
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16819116504

Motherboard: ASUS SABERTOOTH Z77 LGA 1155 Intel Z77 HDMI SATA 6Gb/s USB 3.0 ATX Intel Motherboard
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813131821

Video Card: EVGA GeForce GTX 670 FTW 2GB 256-bit GDDR5 PCI Express 3.0 x16 HDCP Ready SLI Support Video Card 02G-P4-2678-KR
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814130787

Hard Drive: Western Digital Caviar Black 1 TB SATA III 7200 RPM 64 MB Cache Internal Desktop Hard Drive Bulk/OEM - WD1002FAEX
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16822136533

CPU Cooler: COOLER MASTER Hyper 212 EVO RR-212E-20PK-R2 Continuous Direct Contact 120mm Sleeve CPU Cooler Compatible with latest Intel 2011/1366/1155 and AMD FM1/AM3+
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16835103099

SSD Hard Drive: Crucial M4 CT128M4SSD2 2.5" 128GB SATA III MLC Internal Solid State Drive (SSD)
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Memory: CORSAIR Vengeance 8GB (2 x 4GB) 240-Pin DDR3 SDRAM DDR3 1600 (PC3 12800) Low Profile Desktop Memory Model CML8GX3M2A1600C9
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820233186

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Speaker: DELL UltraSharp and Professional Series 468-7412 10 W 2.0 AX510 Flat Panel Stereo SoundBar http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16836260002&Tpk=Dell%20AX510

Case: Fractal Design Define R4 Black Pearl w/ USB 3.0 ATX Mid Tower Silent PC Computer Case
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16811352020
Power Supply: ?

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post #9450 of 16063
Quote:
Originally Posted by Fester1 View Post

I tried building a rig with m specs but it's not showing up for some reason so I'm posting here as to what else I have.

HARDWARE

CPU: Intel Core i5-3570K Ivy Bridge 3.4GHz (3.8GHz Turbo) LGA 1155 77W Quad-Core Desktop Processor Intel HD Graphics 4000 BX80637I53570K
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16819116504

Motherboard: ASUS SABERTOOTH Z77 LGA 1155 Intel Z77 HDMI SATA 6Gb/s USB 3.0 ATX Intel Motherboard
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813131821

Video Card: EVGA GeForce GTX 670 FTW 2GB 256-bit GDDR5 PCI Express 3.0 x16 HDCP Ready SLI Support Video Card 02G-P4-2678-KR
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814130787

Hard Drive: Western Digital Caviar Black 1 TB SATA III 7200 RPM 64 MB Cache Internal Desktop Hard Drive Bulk/OEM - WD1002FAEX
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16822136533

CPU Cooler: COOLER MASTER Hyper 212 EVO RR-212E-20PK-R2 Continuous Direct Contact 120mm Sleeve CPU Cooler Compatible with latest Intel 2011/1366/1155 and AMD FM1/AM3+
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16835103099

SSD Hard Drive: Crucial M4 CT128M4SSD2 2.5" 128GB SATA III MLC Internal Solid State Drive (SSD)
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=20-148-442

Memory: CORSAIR Vengeance 8GB (2 x 4GB) 240-Pin DDR3 SDRAM DDR3 1600 (PC3 12800) Low Profile Desktop Memory Model CML8GX3M2A1600C9
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820233186

Optical Drive: Lite-On LightScribe 24X SATA DVD+/-RW Dual Layer Drive IHAS424-98 - Retail (Black)
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16827106335

Monitor: Dell UltraSharp U2412M Black IPS Panel 24" 8ms Pivot, Swivel & Height Adjustable LED Backlight Widescreen LCD Monitor 300 cd/m2 DC 2,000,000:1 (1000:1) http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16824260047

Speaker: DELL UltraSharp and Professional Series 468-7412 10 W 2.0 AX510 Flat Panel Stereo SoundBar http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16836260002&Tpk=Dell%20AX510

Case: Fractal Design Define R4 Black Pearl w/ USB 3.0 ATX Mid Tower Silent PC Computer Case
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16811352020
Power Supply: ?

SOFTWARE

Operating System: Windows 7 Home Premium
Productivity Suite: Office 2010 Home & Student Edition

You dont need more then 550 watts for that system

If you can wait a little the brand new Cooler Master V550S sould show up on websites
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