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Originally Posted by TestECull View Post
Also, my parent's laptops, both of which are kept fully up to date, are both infected with quite a bit. I can't be assed to clean 'em off. One runs Vista, one 7.
That has nothing to do with what the OS is OR the updates, and everything to do with the antivirus. I noticed you didn't say if they didn't run an AV, too. Every chance you get, you bash Windows updates, and rarely (if ever) does anyone else do the same on these forums... you seriously seem to be in a minority where you don't think updates to the OS do any good.

NO computer I've EVER used has had a worse user experience, or even a different one, from updating Windows. Maybe your Vista installation has a burning passion to recoil in some way that we've never seen before when you try to update it, but that doesn't mean it's like that for everyone or that it justifies bashing updates as often as you do.

On that note, I honestly agree with this:

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ah ocn, paranoied as ever. Don't you guys ever think that you might not be the very first person in the whole world to think that some concept might be flawed if implemented in a certain way? I'd be willing to bet that M$ has thought of everything you have said so far. They likely arnt actually going to do anything, everything they release to the press is just to get people to look at them and say "hey, microsoft is still alive and doing something, lets buy their stock".

If they actually DO go through with trying to make an "internet-wide quarantine", they could really only do this for machines running a modern windows OS. They cant block you from accessing the internet unless their software is on your computer to begin with, as you should all know and likely do but are too worked up to realize. ISPs wouldnt enforce it themselves, it would cost them money with no return, and cause them to lose customers.

Even then, the actual implementation of this would likely just be to preload MSE on everyone's computer, force it to run in the background, and automatically have it disable the network card if anything is found that cant be removed automatically. As with all windows utilities and what not, a few min in the registry will disable this feature and we can all go on with our lives. Sure, total noobs wont know what to do, but hell we dont need them online anyway.

Its not a big deal. Relax. Life will go on.
Every time... every single time Microsoft introduces something new and very high-profile, we get this influx of people booing Microsoft over their purported efforts to try to control what we do or interfere with the user experience. What happens when that new something is actually released for installation and use? It's not so bad! They listen to us! They know how to get the right balance between usability and security, and they damn well proved it with Microsoft Security Essentials. Even I picked up on that software after months of skepticism, and you know what? I like it! Better than AntiVir, for that matter, and that's not just me saying that; AV Comparitives' testing proved it had higher detection rates and fewer false positives than AntiVir. Normally one would happen but not the other, but somehow Microsoft pulled off both at once.

So seriously, don't second-guess these guys until you see their plans actually come to fruition.
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"Your Health Certificate is not genuine, always ask for genuine Windows Health Certificates!"
 
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This had better be opt-out-able.

The better solution is microsoft actually make a secure OS.
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just another system for hackers to infect... infect computers of ppl you dont like or dont want to have access to the internet... whamo... quarantine
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Why doesn't MS enter the networking arena and make an auto-mal/spyware blocking routing device ? Some of the newer Cisco stuff has this capability..
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those without AV on their computers are unlikely go go out looking for hacks and cracks to gain a certificate, people running unprotected PCs generally aren't the brightest (I accept there are exceptions).
If the certificate was published by the AV software, and the publish code provided to the AV manufacturers free of cost, I can see this only bringing benefits, it has the potential to save a lot of people from their own stupidity.
Maybe rather than a block on the internet, uncertified PCs could be directed straight to a list of security programs, while denied access to the wider net?
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This is stupid idea that would never work and would never be adopted.
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Australia beat MS to the idea by 4 months

I would not be surprised if this is the result of collusion between MS and antivirus vendors. There is an effective treatment for malware: mandate that users with infected computers not run Windows.
    
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This is stupid.
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macs aren't even virus free, it annoys me when you ask a person why they got and mac and they reply: "it can't get viruses"
that's marketing + ignorance.

i won't deny that macs are probably safer, but they do get viruses. i had a lady at my Mom's office who said the same thing to me, and then when I said that i could disable my antivirus for a month and not have a problem, she didn't know what to say.

i wish people would be like Steelborn - back Mac with reason and cogent arguments, instead of reiterating the advertising lines with no knowledge or experience of how it works in the real world.

anyways, this is a dumb idea. they should work on making Windows more secure, and work on making Windows not give admin privileges to pretty much everything (UAC doesn't count, it still half-hearted)
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