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Mac's may have all this wonderful hardware and wonderful super smart software - but the fact of the matter is; mac's are expensive. The mac mini; for example. I believe its £599 for a dual core edition. You can build a dual core shuttle for £400. The new iMac's have great screens but the software is just as buggy as the windows stuff. Mac's have their strong points; but it isnt in the commercail area. They should stick with media creation. Mac's are too confining too. You have thier hardware....thats it. No choice's or preference; its just theres. I think that kind of pushes people away. They dont want to all be the same. At least with Wintels and *nix machines you can choose between AMD, Intel, nVidia, ATi, Corsair and G-Skill (to name a few). Mac's are too restricting. Not to mention Steve Jobs is a loon

EDIT: Sorry about the off topic rant, lol

I would say JRabb's folder would be the best - that thing is crazy
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Well as I use my Mac for music production, I feel that it's money well spent. And people forget that Macs are more expensive because they use very high-quality stuff in them. The Mac Book Pro seems to me to be cheaper then most comperable notebooks anyway. So much for the "Macs are expensive" bull****.
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Well as I use my Mac for music production, I feel that it's money well spent. And people forget that Macs are more expensive because they use very high-quality stuff in them. The Mac Book Pro seems to me to be cheaper then most comperable notebooks anyway. So much for the "Macs are expensive" bull****.

No...they ARE expensive. Period. That macbook pro is expensive too.
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Fine. I shall stamp out the ignorance. Show me a comperable notebook (Core Duo 2.0GHz, 256MB X1600, 1GB RAM) thats around 1" thin for under 2300.

Edit: It has to have an iSight (or eqivilent) too.
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Ahh, no you see - you shouldnt of made a challenge.

Hows this?

I think you'll find it matches all of your specifications. Oh, and sony make some of the thinnest laptop's.
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Nice 40GB hard drive and 2x512MB sticks of RAM. Next.

Edit: Just noticed. GeForce 7400? TurboCache? I've taken better 3d rendering craps then that. You can do better then that!
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Sure. My Acer TM8204WLMi

CoreDuo 2.0, 2 GB RAM, 15.4" SXGA+, 120GB HDD, DVD Super Multi, Radeon x1600 (256MB dedicated) + built in webcam (1.3 megapixel CMOS camera) + built in smart card reader + 5in1 multi reader + 4xUSB + 2xFireWire + multitudes of video out: VGA and DVI and S-video) + onboard gig + modem + bluetooth (w/integrated VOIP phone) + abg wireless + carbon fiber case + 2 extra power supplies... In at around two grand.

For the Mac price, I could toss in a desk dock.

And still not use the apps I want

So, more RAM, more HDD, better video, more ports, more features.. Oh, and I sometimes use a MacBook as well
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And I built a dual Italy 270 for way under 3 grand on a Tyan K8WE.

A pretty stomping machine
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Did you include software? Because I did. And remember that the Quad has water cooling.
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No. But at $80 bucks or whatever OEM XP is..

My rig has Server 2003 Ent on it.

So if you want to compare OS fuctionality.. I am game

(It is my root in my little domain forest... running DHCP, DNS, WINS, Certificate Services (I had to root some certs for a friend), IIS, Term Services and File/Print.)

Not to mention, I can run apps I need for work, like SQL2005. (But I run that on a dual 240 instead.)

And I don't need to water cool it. Thermaltake's on it keep it under 40c under full load, servicing is easier and I kinda like the humm of the 6 fans in the Antec 3u case (I have a growing pile of 1u-3u systems.. desktops I have little interest in except as gaming rigs - that I might water cool.)

Then again..

I always go for the right tool. I equip my designers with Macs, devs with x86 Windows PCs, doc writers either Mac or PC (their choice) and run all servers on x86 (Windows or *ux.)

I am sort of looking forward to what kind of tinkering will be opened up with the Mac move to i86. Still a little early to tell.. The PowerPC model sucked in the tinkering department. I have higher hopes now

Not to mention, the dual Italy is meant for server - it runs circles around the G5 for that.. Then again, a G5 would slap me silly on many desktop apps. anadtech said it best:
"The server performance of the Apple platform is, however, catastrophic. When we asked Apple for a reaction, they told us that some database vendors, Sybase and Oracle, have found a way around the threading problems. We'll try Sybase later, but frankly, we are very sceptical. The whole "multi-threaded Mach microkernel trapped inside a monolithic FreeBSD cocoon with several threading wrappers and coarse-grained threading access to the kernel", with a "backwards compatibility" millstone around its neck sounds like a bad fusion recipe for performance. "

(Though, I haven't cracked the case of the PowerMac yet.. and I haven't yet seen a new iMac...)
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