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if you read reviews on the msi and abit boards, they consistently refer to performance comparisions to the A8n32,, citing it as superior.
Haven't seen that re. the AN8 32X

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I guess you are also accusing Tom's of cherry picking/favoritism as well?
Actually I was referring more to the fact that sites like that often get cherry picked review samples or samples with BIOS that aren't available to the public so the "blame" lies more with the manufacturers.
Suffice to say that a no. of people now wait for real user feedback rather than trusting reviews.

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I see that you own an abit and thus may be biased.
Granted but the same no doubt holds true for you.

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Have you tried the asus? I've had mine for 4 months, ample time to test it (unlike reviewers you mentioned with brief summary periods).
No, I will admit that I haven't run that board but there are a significant no. of people who obviously have & have some complaints of varying severity going by various forums.

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I have seen the issues with the Asus board from the Asus forums, "none" of which I encountered. Maybe its because I had a computer business for a number of years and a fair amount of experience with many boards including asus or I just got a "good" one. I would be willing to bet the majority of problems with mobo's are human error or ignorance. DFI boards are a prime example. Noobs tend to have many problems with them. When I used to do pc repair and troubleshooting, It was either factory defect or user error 90% of the time.
I won't disagree with you on that especially as I see it from the Abit forums too where somebody will come in ranting & raving & then sheepishly depart when an obvious solution is promulgated.
However, there are also some very experienced users that have also run into problems with the A8N32 going by the forums.

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Again provide some data and I will apologize for my arrogance.
Believe me there are some people that have switched & prefer the AN8 32X & if I come across the threads again I shall do so.

Btw, I skimmed something the other day re. the A8N32's 8-phase circuitry that said that it doesn't actually run in that mode most of the time but that certain conditions had to be met/set.
Unfortunately I can't recall where I saw it - can you expound?
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The 8 phase voltage relates specifically to stability when either overclocking or running SLI. It ramps up the voltage based on usage of the rig. One thing I have seen repeatedly is that the Asus really needs a strong and stable power supply to perform properly. The Asus forums had a number of complaints regarding crashes from owners with lower end power supplies. Anyone with a quality branded power supply over 550W didn't seem to have any issues (although there are some compatibility issues with the Antec NEO series).

A metaphor would be similar to the car I own, a Chrysler 300C. It's 8 cylinder but runs in 4 cylinder mode until you step on it. At that point, the other 4 cylinders engage. A post on the Asus forum made a similar comparison. Most motherboards (including the two mentioned and the DFI line) run either 3 or 4 phase. The Asus board runs as many capacitors as it requires based on system load. the more you overclock it (or run higher demand SLI cards) the more capacitors it enables.

I didn't mean to bash your opinions. You've responded intelligently and politely to my comments and for that you deserve a compliment.

It would be nice if we had a definitive source where all products could be compared on an equal and unbiased basis but unfortunately even the big guys like Tom's are subject to their own personal pressures.

I am still fairly certain that the Asus board is the champ (Especially with the agressive bios revisions that have been released to date). I've had excellent results with the board both stock and overclocking. I have literally had not a single crash or lockup in the four months that I've had the board running, no matter what I've thrown at it. Admittedly, I've overclocked cautiously and not tried anything to crazy but still, its a good testimonial to an excellent product.

I used abit quite a bit a few years back when I had my business and they also build a quality product (as do MSI and DFI for that matter). So if they are all pretty decent, which is the best? It comes down to stability and overclocking which thus far, in my opinion goes to the Asus.
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So if they are all pretty decent, which is the best? It comes down to stability and overclocking which thus far, in my opinion goes to the Asus.
Tbh these days with the memory controller in the CPU etc. it's surprising to see much performance difference at all between 2 similar boards based on the same chipset & with the same supporting hardware.
Iirc 1 thing that all the reviews of the Abit that I have seen have commented on was it's stability & my experience so far is similar.
We just got our first BIOS revision for it today which supposedly improves overclocking - I know from a post on XtremeSystems that Tony from OCZ is quite impressed with the test board that they have.

Hopefully we both continue to enjoy our respective boards.
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