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Somebody once claimed these were made by iOne.

Anybody ever open one to check that rumor?
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Originally Posted by ch_123;12927661 
Can we see some sales figures for the Blackwidow, Xarmor and Deck to back that claim up?


Common sense would overrule the need of sales figure but I'll give it a shot.

How many retailer outlets have Razer products? I live in a large city in southern California and I can drive to a few places and pick up a Razer Blackwidow. Know how many places I can drive to get an Xarmor, Deck, Filco, Ducky? Practically, None.

Marketing and Distribution are key ingredients in sales.

I went to my local Fry's electronics and they had Both Blackwidows in stock (Thought I just want to try it, not buy it).

The more product you push out, the more people you'll have complaining, and you'll have even more people who like the product hopefully (but fail to voice their opinion because they are content).

Two products have a failure rate of 1%. One product has sold 100,000 units while the other sold 1,000. One product has 1,000 people complaining while the other have 10.
Even though both have 1% failure rate (No one looks at this), the 1000 will have a much stronger voice/opinions (What people will listen to).
Of the 1,000 maybe 10% will come complain. That's 100 people.
Of the 10, maybe 10% will come complain. That's 1 person.

You gonna listen to the 100 people complaining or the 1 person? Even though Failure rate never changed (both products still have 1% failure rate).


I'm guilty of this myself, because I read what people are saying but more I read, the more I realize some poeple are just bitter from past experiences.

I personally optioned for the Filco. I wanted the smal form factor and they do infact have great quality.
I also opted for the DAS for work because I need something a bit silent end.

Just because razer made a few poor products or some people got a bad apple and they decided to voice their opinions, doesn't mean the product will most definitely fail.

Comments like "it'll fail in the first year" are silly. No company will continue production/distribution/market with 100% failure in 1st year.

Yes People probably have had some issue with the Blackwidows and these people are the ones who tend to voice their opinions.


[ame="http://www.amazon.com/Razer-BlackWidow-Ultimate-Mechanical-Keyboard/dp/B003ZJ5B4I/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1302902839&sr=8-1"]Amazon.com: Razer BlackWidow Ultimate Mechanical Gaming Keyboard: Electronics[/ame]
78 reviews with average 4 star rating. 65/78 people gave (normal users) 4 and 5 stars.

I didn't go with it because of reasons I mentioned above, I was also put off by what people were saying, but reading further into it, I just blew it off as hot air.

I may pick up the regular in the near future to test it out... Can't beat it for $75.
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Is there this much Razer Hate in the mouse subforum?
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post #104 of 112
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Originally Posted by ripster;13140080 
Somebody once claimed these were made by iOne.

Anybody ever open one to check that rumor?


My idea is that the keys are surely built by the same company, the keyboard itself likely not. the razer feels way cheaper and the PCB doesn't look so similar.

They looks definitely what they are.

Razer is a relatively large scale product, cheap and more refined in some details.

Xarmor looks as a less industrialized product, that sounds solid and well built but lacks some refinements due to the large scale production, like the backlit level not maintained trough reboots.

BTW just the solid tock emitted when bottoming out the keys on the Xarmor should be sufficient to prefer it instead the BW.
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hey guys thx for the discussion and the heapings of hate. I loved it. My first post here btw. I actually registered just because you guys made me re-evaluate my pre-made decision to buy the ultimate and then ultimately decide to buy it in the end. I had already done some research on keyboards and ultimately wanted a good "typing" keyboard that looked cool. I'm a Tron nerd, but sadly the Tron keyboard is ******* expensive and worthless *sob*. I was actually originally just going to grab the Illuminated Logitech with the rechargeable batteries, but decided I should get something I truly love typing on.

I realize there has been mention of other pure keyboards for typing with good switches (rosewill or something?) but nothing I found in my digging online had good typing with cool lighting. If I missed it I guess it's too late because I'm pulling the trigger on the Ultimate. Done. Kinda expensive but based on reviews I've read all over the place it is very consistently highly rated so I realize a bunch of people in this thread hate on Razer, but I go by 1st, 2nd & 3rd opinions plus a combination of reviews I take from all over. The Ultimate appears to be a very good keyboard.

Now if there's a $200 keyboard that is better build quality with no lighting... well it's $90 more than I paid and no lighting so at the end of the day you have to meet as many of the criteria you are looking for you can and not spend more than you need to. I realize the standard blackwidow was quite a bit cheaper, but then it didn't have the lighting and if I didn't give a **** about the lighting then I could've gone for a pure typing keyboard that had better build quality like a Rose... nm

I think I'll be happy. I'm typing on a decade+ old cheap microsoft keyboard I have to pound on and I still am making typos. **** this keyboard. I like hearing the clackity clack of a good keyboard though. A lot of people were put off by the blackwidow's noisy keys but that's right up my alley. I have air filters all over the house going 24/7, music playing, birds shrieking so it's all good.

Again thanks everyone for the entertaining thread and thx to the original poster. You guys made me feel good about my purchase.

I'm "jwhyrock" on PSN if you have PS3 on a random note. I hate Sony by the way. Just had to get that off my chest, but PS3 is still my console of choice even if the company is a douche. And I'm out.
post #106 of 112
I haven't had any issues with my blackwidow ultimate so far. For those assessing whether or not to get one based on the negative comments on this thread, keep in mind that razer likely sells a lot more in terms of volume. So of course we'll hear more about malfunctioning KBs
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Had my regular Blackwidow for a couple months now and I'm absolutely loving it. Its my first mech keyboard and it responds well to games and I get a good feedback when i'm coding. Only con is the glossy look that captures every fingerprint.
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Better than Xarmor is what I always say.

[ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RgZi_n9903Y&feature=player_embedded"]Xarmor Misaligned Spacebar/ALT key[/ame]
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Originally Posted by ripster;13573593 
Better than Xarmor is what I always say.

If you are happy being always wrong....biggrin.gif
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Yes, the xai is amazing. I love most of Steelseries' products. I have, and use their Merc Steath keyboard (which I am currently typing on), their HD4 mousepad, and Ikari mouse (SOOO Comfortable).
I wasn't talking about "Sennheiser, etc" now was I. I was talking about Razer products. I'm a huge Sennheiser fan, I have 3 of their cans, and use my PC350's while gaming. In relation to Razer products, the only thing they can seem to make right are their headsets (which aren't too expensive either).
*@Ripster
The thing is...
Logitech has cheaper products than Razer, that work better, AND...
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...they have better booth babes. Try harder Razer.

hate to bring up old hate threads, but I've been in the market for my first mech, I dont want to spend over 100 bucks out the door, I dont care about back lighting, the usb port is nice, but not necessary, and i love having macro keys which many mechs do not have. with that being said, what alternatives are there for under 100 bucks? not much. the steel series line up has no macro keys, so that is out for me. I've handled and typed on the new corsair boards. suck. where does that leave me?


haha and this guy... are you REALLY going to try and tell us that that oafy amazon ginger is anywhere near as hot as either of those Razer chicks? you're on drugs, only possible explanation.


Also, why would you try to compare logitech and razer in THIS forum post? as logitech, as far as I know, has no mechanical keyboard offerings? I've had logitech gaming mice that I've hated, and a non gaming, non mechanical keyboard that has lasted me since around 2006 or 2007. the buttons are mushy, some are missing, and a portion sticks, but it works? I would NEVER spend money on logitech "gaming" gear, aside from the top end headset they make. I've yet to have issues with either of the razer mice i've owned, aside from not being comfortable in my hands (i have very wide hands lol)
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