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Poll Results: What card did you own? (multi option available)

This is a multiple choice poll
  • 11% of voters (51)
    Voodoo
  • 2% of voters (13)
    Voodoo Rush
  • 25% of voters (114)
    Voodoo 2
  • 12% of voters (54)
    Voodoo Banshee
  • 29% of voters (131)
    Voodoo 3
  • 5% of voters (24)
    Voodoo 4
  • 16% of voters (74)
    Voodoo 5
  • 16% of voters (73)
    Did anyone SLI?
440 Total Votes  
post #251 of 259
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Oh man, I always wanted to get my hands on one of those server boards, with 2 CPUs! Personally, I'd go with Slot-1, mainly because I prefer Slot design much more than any socket on the market, but it's a cool design nevertheless thumb.gif You might want to consider putting Voodoo2 SLI inside for compatibility reasons, it would wipe the floor with all Glide & OpenGL games from the late 90s, early 00s! biggrin.gif
Indeed... They have a VERY nice 3dfx support & driver database! (For all of you guys from Vogons forum, I'm Trekkie4)

I forgot the build link oops:p This build is a slot mobo with a V2 Sli and maybe a V1 for the fun of it thumb.gif
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Nah, you don't need Voodoo1 with this thing, V2 will do just fine thumb.gif This is a great work & awesome idea! If I'd had the money, room & other resources I'd probably go with modded case(s) myself biggrin.gif


Guys, kinda off-topic here, but still related to Voodoo2 cards... One of my Voodoo2 cards got damaged somehow, and one of the (ceramic?) SMD capacitors detached itself. It didn't completely fall off the card, so I managed to take it back & soldered it back onto the card earlier today. The only thing that I'm worried about is how to know if the cap is shorting, due to bulky connection & solder work that I've done? I did test the card, and it's working OK, but the cap was on the other side of the card, which doesn't have any RAM chips (8mb version) Maybe this side of the board is not even used? I still wouldn't want any components to short the Voodoo card & cause any problems and/or overheating later on.

Label for this particular cap is C127, it's located on lower-left side of the card. Model is Diamond Monster, 3DII.
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Time to revive this topic once again smile.gif

Let's talk numbers & benchmarks... For the Voodoo3, model 2000 AGP in particular! According to to 3DMark 99, the Athlon 750 running Win98 & Voodoo3 scored amazing 3,996 3D Marks.

But here's the interesting part... Comparing these results to my primary retro-gaming rig, which runs a pair of Voodoo2 12mb card(s) in SLI, which scored only 3,912 3D Marks!! Surprised? Because I sure am! Remember, this is NOT a Voodoo3, 3000 model. And to see two Voodoo2 cards get outpowered by the cheapest Voodoo3 card on the market is just .... uhh, unsatisfying to say at least!!

In fact, the only three notable differences between Voodoo2 SLI & Voodoo3 AGP are the "fill" & "fresh" rates, along with 2MB Texture rendering speed. Voodoo2 runs at 60Hz, has the fill rate of 144.2 MTexels/s and the 2MB Rendering speed of 248,8 FPS, where on the other hand Voodoo3 runs at 76Hz, has the fill rate of 138.1 MTexels/s & 2MB Texture rendering speed of 156,0 FPS. All other rendering speeds get progressively worse for Voodoo2, where the Voodoo3 values only go higher & higher.

However, with that being said DO keep in mind that the Voodoo2 SLI setup was running on much more powerful system, Athlon XP 1800+ with 512MB of DDR400 memory where on the other hand Athlon 750 only has 256MB of SD-DRAM PC100 thumb.gif
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Time to revive this topic once again smile.gif

Let's talk numbers & benchmarks... For the Voodoo3, model 2000 AGP in particular! According to to 3DMark 99, the Athlon 750 running Win98 & Voodoo3 scored amazing 3,996 3D Marks.

But here's the interesting part... Comparing these results to my primary retro-gaming rig, which runs a pair of Voodoo2 12mb card(s) in SLI, which scored only 3,912 3D Marks!! Surprised? Because I sure am! Remember, this is NOT a Voodoo3, 3000 model. And to see two Voodoo2 cards get outpowered by the cheapest Voodoo3 card on the market is just .... uhh, unsatisfying to say at least!!

In fact, the only three notable differences between Voodoo2 SLI & Voodoo3 AGP are the "fill" & "fresh" rates, along with 2MB Texture rendering speed. Voodoo2 runs at 60Hz, has the fill rate of 144.2 MTexels/s and the 2MB Rendering speed of 248,8 FPS, where on the other hand Voodoo3 runs at 76Hz, has the fill rate of 138.1 MTexels/s & 2MB Texture rendering speed of 156,0 FPS. All other rendering speeds get progressively worse for Voodoo2, where the Voodoo3 values only go higher & higher.

However, with that being said DO keep in mind that the Voodoo2 SLI setup was running on much more powerful system, Athlon XP 1800+ with 512MB of DDR400 memory where on the other hand Athlon 750 only has 256MB of SD-DRAM PC100 thumb.gif
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The 3000 and 3500 models offered performance exceeding Voodoo2 SLI in certain environments

Where do you get those numbers? From 3dmark?
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It was all explained in my post smile.gif Yes, those numbers are all from 3DMark 99, I ran the same test(s) on both machines - AthlonXP 1800+ & Athlon 750

Full system specs of 1800+ are:

AthlonXP 1800+, 1533MHz
Asus A7V8X-X
512MB DDR400
nVidia GeForce4, Ti4200 (AGP)
2x 3dfx Voodoo2 1000, 12MB


And full system specs on 750 are:

AMD Athlon 750
DFI AK74-EC
256MB SD-DRAM (PC100)
3dfx Voodoo3 2000, 16MB (AGP)

And yes, I'm aware of what you said. Quite honestly, I was expecting model 2000 to score even (or less) than Voodoo2 in SLI. Which is why I brought this out in the first place, it was a genuine & unpleasant surprise.
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It was all explained in my post smile.gif Yes, those numbers are all from 3DMark 99, I ran the same test(s) on both machines - AthlonXP 1800+ & Athlon 750

Full system specs of 1800+ are:

AthlonXP 1800+, 1533MHz
Asus A7V8X-X
512MB DDR400
nVidia GeForce4, Ti4200 (AGP)
2x 3dfx Voodoo2 1000, 12MB


And full system specs on 750 are:

AMD Athlon 750
DFI AK74-EC
256MB SD-DRAM (PC100)
3dfx Voodoo3 2000, 16MB (AGP)

And yes, I'm aware of what you said. Quite honestly, I was expecting model 2000 to score even (or less) than Voodoo2 in SLI. Which is why I brought this out in the first place, it was a genuine & unpleasant surprise.
Why did you expect the V3 to perform worse? In low resolution (640 or 800) I would expect your V2 system to be better, at least in games like Quake 2, not so sure on Q3. By the way, I'm trying to remember the demos played by 3dmark and I think I was pretty amazed with it.

Back in the day, the Voodoo 3 was considered to have a lacklustre performance. Not because it wasn't much better than the V2 (it was more than twice as fast, more integrated and with more memory), but because the competition soon surpassed it (TNT2 at 16 bits and then the GeForce).

To me, doubling the performance in 1 year, is an impressive achievement, even if it wasn't too technically complex to do so from today's perspective. However, I wasn't happy that many many months of saving cash to afford the Voodoo 2, it would be obsolete so soon.
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Agreed, and you're absolutely correct.

However, as you probably already know, the Voodoo3 came out in three "flavors" - 2000, 3000 & 3500. So therefore I wouldn't be surprised to see 3000 and/or 3500 to score better than V2 in SLI, but NOT the 2000 model since it was the cheapest one available, a "budget" model I guess you could call it.

And so, after seeing the results & comparing 2000 against the V2 SLI system, I can certainly understand why ppl got so frustrated & disappointed, and how that eventually influenced 3dfx to go bankrupt. Among their other decisions obviously, I'm not even going to mention the whole STB disaster.

Here are the pics by the way, starting with Voodoo2 SLI results:
P_20171011_232344.jpg


And moving on to Voodoo3, 2000 AGP
P_20171011_232523.jpg


It was never my intention to turn this into a debate lol, it was more a personal observation. This system was made primarily because I was missing AMD/Voodoo3 combination in my collection, as pretty much all other 3dfx systems that I own are Intel-based, where the other AMDs are mainly using nVidia. I even have one running Evil Kyro, but that's a whole other story wink.gif
P_20171012_000240.jpg
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Agreed, and you're absolutely correct.

However, as you probably already know, the Voodoo3 came out in three "flavors" - 2000, 3000 & 3500. So therefore I wouldn't be surprised to see 3000 and/or 3500 to score better than V2 in SLI, but NOT the 2000 model since it was the cheapest one available, a "budget" model I guess you could call it.

And so, after seeing the results & comparing 2000 against the V2 SLI system, I can certainly understand why ppl got so frustrated & disappointed, and how that eventually influenced 3dfx to go bankrupt. Among their other decisions obviously, I'm not even going to mention the whole STB disaster.

Here are the pics by the way, starting with Voodoo2 SLI results:
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And moving on to Voodoo3, 2000 AGP
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It was never my intention to turn this into a debate lol, it was more a personal observation. This system was made primarily because I was missing AMD/Voodoo3 combination in my collection, as pretty much all other 3dfx systems that I own are Intel-based, where the other AMDs are mainly using nVidia. I even have one running Evil Kyro, but that's a whole other story wink.gif
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Please excuse me if my tone seems to be harsh or aggressive, it's too late for me and I have a bit of trouble expressing what I want to say.

Yes, I do recall the 3 models, although IIRC there wasn't too much of a difference, it was mainly clock speed. They made too many bad decisions, otherwise they wouldn't have gone down so fast (lol@STB). However they must be acknowledged for what they delivered, and I think that's why we are all in this post smile.gif. For me, they did deliver and I could afford 3dfx. Rendition, Matrox & others had buggy drivers, poor or no API support or were not fast enough. I'll never forget the first time I saw GLQuake, or Quake 2 with the GL miniport. Oh god, and Unreal!!! The list goes on (although Unreal's software renderer was amazing).

Speaking of which, what games do you play on your Voodoo systems? I built a V5 rig (Athlon XP 1800+, MSI KT3 Ultra-ARU) but never played anything other than Messiah, which is buggy and very confusing. And is there any particular reason why you can't just do with one voodoo rig?

Man, those V2 results are very weird, look at the 8MB texture rendering FPS... The V3 goes 10 times faster!
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Nah, it's all good smile.gif

And yes, exactly! I grew up playing on 3dfx Voodoo2, it was a Diamond-branded Monster 3DII, with amazing 12MB of VRAM! Still have the original Pentium II machine here with me, but unfortunately I threw away the original case, since it was too loud, squeaking & falling apart every time CD (or HDD) drive would spin up frown.gif Wish I haven't, because now I'm actually looking all over the world to find one, I'd really like to restore my Pentium II to original specs...
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But yes, 3dfx left a huge legacy to nVidia, heck they originally invented "SLI" - something that we still have & use today! Okay, so it was somewhat different & SLI originally had different meaning, but when they got bought by nVidia, most of the 3dfx engineers & existing technologies were merged into GeForce cards smile.gif

As for the games, I hope this picture down below will answer your question lol
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