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Meh. A SC 460 can be thumped HANDILY by an OC 6850
remember that even in a 6850 You're likely to go up from about 775 core to AT LEAST 920-950// On the better side of things - 1 GHz OMG ..

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Meh. A SC 460 can be thumped HANDILY by an OC 6850
I have not played w/ a 6850, but have owned both a 460 1GB and the 6870. A 460 1GB @ 850Mhz feels smoother in BC2, Alien Swarm, and L4D2 than a 6870 @ 950Mhz. That's @ 1680x1050 w/ 4x or 8x AA in L4D2. Alien Swarm cannot be comfortably run on a 6870 @ 8x AA. In fact, a 768MB 460 runs that game better. A $90 card runs that game better, looks better, costs $100 less, and comes w/ a much better fan that does not sound like a jet engine about to take off @ high volts/clocks.

I've given it a fair shake. I have tried a 6870 for just over a week now and it's simply not the best card for the $ right now. That'd be the 460 768 by a wide margin.

That said, I've seen quite a few systems choke on a 460/470 due to a C2D, C2Q, or Phenom x3/x4. In that instance alone, I'd recommend the $200 Sapphire 5870 @ egg. Even the new Barts and Caymans can have issue w/ those chips, albeit to a much lesser degree.

IMO, unless we've actually used them both in our systems for an extensive period of time, we really shouldn't be recycling what we've read from reviews. It just adds confusion to current chaotic state of "benchmark" reviews. Someday someone will get this right and start offering buying guides and impressions after owning a GPU instead of "number graphs" that tell nothing of what a real gaming session will be like from card to card.

I hope this doesn't offend those of you who have been enjoying their Radeons as that's not my intention, no matter how sharply worded my posting has been. It's a solid card w/ some pretty killer features (6 mon on 1 card for example) or Xfire scaling that puts SLI to shame!



EDIT: I've personally seen 3 460's hit 850Mhz with minimal fuss. There's absolutely no reason to pay more for that unless you have to have the best (that extra special card that might do 950 or 1000). I think there's a couple MSI's going for $150 and $160 right now actually.
Edited by Jodiuh - 1/18/11 at 11:48am
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I have not played w/ a 6850, but have owned both a 460 1GB and the 6870. A 460 1GB @ 850Mhz feels smoother in BC2, Alien Swarm, and L4D2 than a 6870 @ 950Mhz. That's @ 1680x1050 w/ 4x or 8x AA in L4D2. Alien Swarm cannot be comfortably run on a 6870 @ 8x AA. In fact, a 768MB 460 runs that game better. A $90 card runs that game better, looks better, costs $100 less, and comes w/ a much better fan that does not sound like a jet engine about to take off @ high volts/clocks.

I've given it a fair shake. I have tried a 6870 for just over a week now and it's simply not the best card for the $ right now. That'd be the 460 768 by a wide margin.

That said, I've seen quite a few systems choke on a 460/470 due to a C2D, C2Q, or Phenom x3/x4. In that instance alone, I'd recommend the $200 Sapphire 5870 @ egg. Even the new Barts and Caymans can have issue w/ those chips, albeit to a much lesser degree.

IMO, unless we've actually used them both in our systems for an extensive period of time, we really shouldn't be recycling what we've read from reviews. It just adds confusion to current chaotic state of "benchmark" reviews. Someday someone will get this right and start offering buying guides and impressions after owning a GPU instead of "number graphs" that tell nothing of what a real gaming session will be like from card to card.

I hope this doesn't offend those of you who have been enjoying their Radeons as that's not my intention, no matter how sharply worded my posting has been. It's a solid card w/ some pretty killer features (6 mon on 1 card for example) or Xfire scaling that puts SLI to shame!



EDIT: I've personally seen 3 460's hit 850Mhz with minimal fuss. There's absolutely no reason to pay more for that unless you have to have the best (that extra special card that might do 950 or 1000). I think there's a couple MSI's going for $150 and $160 right now actually.
Wow where do I start.
First it sounds like you made up your mind allready so why the question.

Second no one said the 6870 is the best bang for buck imo its the 6850.

Third no review is going to tell you exactly how the card will perform in your system for that you will have to buy every card and do extensive testing with your own rig.(not reasonable)

Forth if you want the opinion of people who own the cards look in customer reviews on newegg(rely on that if you want)

Fifth higher framerates dosnt always mean smoother gameplay.If your having smoother gameplay with $90 card Its most likely not the card causing the issue did you run driver sweeper before installing drivers what drivers are you using.
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Wow where do I start.
First it sounds like you made up your mind allready so why the question.

Second no one said the 6870 is the best bang for buck imo its the 6850.

Third no review is going to tell you exactly how the card will perform in your system for that you will have to buy every card and do extensive testing with your own rig.(not reasonable)

Forth if you want the opinion of people who own the cards look in customer reviews on newegg(rely on that if you want)

Fifth higher framerates dosnt always mean smoother gameplay.If your having smoother gameplay with $90 card Its most likely not the card causing the issue did you run driver sweeper before installing drivers what drivers are you using.
This. But keep fanboyism and arguing out of this thread.
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First up, I thought Bacardi Superior was vodka Turned out to be white rum

I set up a 460 for my bro 2 weeks back, and bundled my 6850 too!

Now- Why I'd say the 6850 wreaks havoc :
1. CFX >>> SLI -- esp w/ memory hungry games-- in ati mem adds up- sli is so-so. Doesnt so ssad.
2. Got this whole AMD ATIAMD radeon thing going and this red/black case so yeah...
3. The devil is RED ------ for one still guessing, radeon is RED
4. I'm pretty drunk STILL OCN AND beer keeps me going
5. a 460- sure. 2-power connectors vs ONE on a 6850.
6. A 6870 = IMO a few extra shaders + better cooling [ The first can be offset by OC'ing the 6850 and the second by using aftermarket solutions- just everybody wants this.. yeah ?? ] Hence the 6870 is not market worthy at the price it retails at ATM.
7. My mobo supports CFX. SLI fail.
8. I don't like nvidia??? They phased out my Aegia physx card ? And I have an old 7800 GTX from BFG. It's trash now. FAIL TO SEE how the 7xxx lineup couldn't have CUDA incorporated into it thru a simple FW flash?? They phase things out- the only reason why 8xxx + series' physx is being carried forward is to woo developers/ customers to the whole physx scene?? Did I mention my GTS 250 HAD NO OC HEADROOM AND DIED 2 MONTHS INTO OP? Btw, was a palit. So much for Made in Japan :/
9. My room just shook- turns out my folks claim t'was an EARTHQUAKE.
10. NVidia is the OFFICIAL benching cheat ?? Current optimisations in ATI drivers DO NOT CHEAT- they let us gain more performance at the cost of quality--- its not like we'd notice texture optimisations @ 75 Hz in game.
11. The latest 11.1a hotfix Drivers presumably greatly enhance the performance of the 6xxx line up ?? And this may be to counter the 560. SO no, 460 FAIL, 560 MayBE at par. For all your know, the 5xxx and 6xxx have more untapped potential ? Dx11 games should, and will do well to optimise their engines. Metro, GTA, BOPS wth FIX YOUR GAME ENGINE :/
12. Cheaper 3x LCD setup option? Wait for the flex edition from sapphire!
13. The above 12.

I Admit- points 2,3,9 and 13 add absolutely nothing of significance to this argument!!! Time to frag sum ppl online

Side note- iz3d is partially free for AMD customers =)

As previously mentioned, my bro's card OC's well, but to abysmal temps and erratic nvidia driver crashes --- hate it when windows goes- recovered display driver or somethink like that-- anyway, not my concern anyway.

For those of you w/ a 6870- know that you have ---
1. Increased power at your disposal.
2. More SPs.
3. Better cooling.
4. Can realise the peak power of a Barts. -- doesn't sound rite
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This. But keep fanboyism and arguing out of this thread.
Im anything but a fanboy personally I think at most price ranges the cards are pretty much even and nvidia has better drivers.

My point is his criteria for benchmarks is too high and unreasonable.
[Quote]
"IMO, unless we've actually used them both in our systems for an extensive period of time, we really shouldn't be recycling what we've read from reviews"

You cant expect a review site to play every game at ever setting for a week for each card.
Edited by smoke420 - 1/18/11 at 1:01pm
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haha that is the best drunk reply thats actually made sense well done +1 rep for u. lol
 
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This. But keep fanboyism and arguing out of this thread.
^ Wait till you read my post

Smoke
here :
1.Mind's definitely made up --- yeah lol . Like GO GO apple mac 9400GT with flash lol.
2.Newegg reviewers mostly consist of a bunch of ppl upgrading from a 6xxx-250(nvidia ) or 38xx (ati) to the 68xx LOL so THEY REALLY DON'T HELP
It's pretty entertaining though to go thru their posts !!
3. I HAVE set up a 460 and 6850 .. AMD ROX da houC
4. If one is buying cards solely with the intention of out-of -the -box performance, the 6870 WILL NOT DISAPPOINT ? Surely there is no cause for concern ?
5. no no no Higher framerates!= smoother gameplay. What's the flip queue size and something similar in NVCPL - i think pre-render frames.. for??
6. Why can't we all live in peace together..

Edit : I'm on some sort of probation by the mods for posting dumb stuff in this state
Let this gooo plzz- took some time and a lot of effort to type- a bit of spell check thrown in - can't seem to find keeys on this keyboard of mine- stupid black on black arctosa- can't see a thing!!
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My head is actually in a little bit of pain right now.
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ok i have 1030/1240 @ 1.230v what are expected idle and load temps?
daaamn, what are your temps?
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