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i dont like comapring the oced lower card to stock higher card. this is just stupid. the higher card can be oced to and it will be in front again. comparing should always be done at stock vs stock.
That's because you fail to see the point in doing that.
Of course the higher, more expensive card will be more powerful.
But at the price point of the lower card, you can match the stock performance of the higher card at no additional costs.
So for example, you can overclock, lets say, a GTX 560 Ti for $250 plus shipping, and if you get lucky, be able to match a GTX 570~580 for only $250 instead of the $350 or $500.

It's not saying that the lower card can be more powerful always, just at that price point.
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Originally Posted by pRenoM View Post
If I was you I'd experiment with using the bios to overclock..TriXX made my GPU unstable for some reason also. MSI Afterburner works great for me though.
Sorry for the late response.
I started using Afterburner and I can get the GPU to 970Mhz with max voltage but the memories are tricky, they just won't do any OC (stable) what are your settings on them?

I can't seem to find a sweet spot. My 5830 had the memories @1000 default and without any voltage at all I was able to take them to 1250!! why is it that this memories are so terribly slow?

Martin.-
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That's because you fail to see the point in doing that.
Of course the higher, more expensive card will be more powerful.
But at the price point of the lower card, you can match the stock performance of the higher card at no additional costs.
So for example, you can overclock, lets say, a GTX 560 Ti for $250 plus shipping, and if you get lucky, be able to match a GTX 570~580 for only $250 instead of the $350 or $500.

It's not saying that the lower card can be more powerful always, just at that price point.
but ffs you can still get AWAY with performance from the oced lower card by OVERCKLOCKING the higher... over the past few years i was dealing with ppl like you. none of them didnt understand that its completely unfair to comapre oced vs stock.............
so lets just not continue this conversation cos i already know that it will just turn into another flame war or something. i will not even say that the pc portals are not comparing cards oced vs stock but stock vs stock.
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but ffs you can still get AWAY with performance from the oced lower card by OVERCKLOCKING the higher... over the past few years i was dealing with ppl like you. none of them didnt understand that its completely unfair to comapre oced vs stock.............
so lets just not continue this conversation cos i already know that it will just turn into another flame war or something. i will not even say that the pc portals are not comparing cards oced vs stock but stock vs stock.
Well no duh, man. Of course the higher card will be more powerful, but at a higher price.
People always come up with things that "aren't fair" to compare with computer parts. PhysX, DX11, HD 5970 vs 480/580 since 5970 is dual GPU...
I have no interest in a flame war. I just don't want people to be misinformed and spend more than they have to.
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sure that at higher price. that is what you paying for. for higher performance.
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sure that at higher price. that is what you paying for. for higher performance.
Exactly.
But for, let's use the 6800 series as an example,

you pay $175 or whatever the cheapest 6850 is at the egg, and you overclock it to 6870 speeds, then you have $225 performance at $175 pricing.
But, like you said, you can always overlclock the 6870, but it is the better product, no? So higher performance would be expected.
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V2 dont have radiator on mosfets and its not using DrMos but older kind of tech with three seperate semiconductors. also on V2 two 6pin pci-e plugs can be used, but to run card one is enough. V1 got only one pci-e 6pin jack.
the asus eah 6850 V22 is very similar to EAH6870 DC/2DI2S/1GD5
the pcb looks exactly the same
both have black colored caps and 2x6pin pcie power connectors as opposed to red ones on V1

and while the 6870 bosts of SUPER ALLOY POWER, does that been the V2 also employees those beeter quality chokes and caps

does having two 6pin power connectors advantageous as opposed to one on 6850, coz all other manufactures have a single pcie connect. on their 6850s

btw what are DrMos
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the asus eah 6850 V22 is very similar to EAH6870 DC/2DI2S/1GD5
the pcb looks exactly the same
both have black colored caps and 2x6pin pcie power connectors as opposed to red ones on V1

and while the 6870 bosts of SUPER ALLOY POWER, does that been the V2 also employees those beeter quality chokes and caps

does having two 6pin power connectors advantageous as opposed to one on 6850, coz all other manufactures have a single pcie connect. on their 6850s

btw what are DrMos
I'd assume V2 has a revision to some of the hardware. SAP (Super Alloy Power) would be on both.

With 2 x 6 pin connectors, you'll have more room for bigger OCs, if that is a limiting factor (probably won't be with this architecture).

DrMos are the VRMs (Voltage Regulation Modules) that MSI uses, and they're better than conventional VRMs. I'm not sure by how much, but something like 8 + 2 DrMos is equal to 12 + 2 regular VRMs. But thats going into motherboards. I'd have to look into it more for the GPUs.

Essentially, DrMos will give you better power delivery, and potentially let you overclock more. Potentially. Unless you get a horrbily binned chip. >.<
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I'd assume V2 has a revision to some of the hardware. SAP (Super Alloy Power) would be on both.

With 2 x 6 pin connectors, you'll have more room for bigger OCs, if that is a limiting factor (probably won't be with this architecture).

DrMos are the VRMs (Voltage Regulation Modules) that MSI uses, and they're better than conventional VRMs. I'm not sure by how much, but something like 8 + 2 DrMos is equal to 12 + 2 regular VRMs. But thats going into motherboards. I'd have to look into it more for the GPUs.

Essentially, DrMos will give you better power delivery, and potentially let you overclock more. Potentially. Unless you get a horrbily binned chip. >.<
Except that in the last few years, there have been a lot of complaints over MSI's 4+1 power delivery system on motherboards - to the point that it's started to look like they might actually be worse than "regular" VRMs of other companies.
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DrMos are the VRMs (Voltage Regulation Modules) that MSI uses, and they're better than conventional VRMs. I'm not sure by how much, but something like 8 + 2 DrMos is equal to 12 + 2 regular VRMs. But thats going into motherboards. I'd have to look into it more for the GPUs.
there is no equal. DrMos are running cooler, they are faster in response, longer life, less space, and cheaper to produce. they are just better but there should be no comparing 8+2 DrMos vs 12+2 typical mosfets.. both of them could be done for delivering higher or lower amount of power. all depends on specific designs and quality of materials are used.
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