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hmmmm... it appears that the suprising recall of the P67 chipset makes the i7 950 once again king of the hill at the 300 dollar mark, albeit briefly. We might see some people bring in some impressive new OCs!
    
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Not actually a recall if I read it correctly, and not as big a problem as some would make out. Not everyone would encounter it. That's my understanding anyway.

It will affect profits though as misunderstandings fly about.

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Cougar Point (Intel’s 6-series chipsets: H67/P67) has two sets of SATA ports: four that support 3Gbps operation, and two that support 6Gbps operation. Each set of ports requires its own PLL source.

The problem in the chipset was traced back to a transistor in the 3Gbps PLL clocking tree. The aforementioned transistor has a very thin gate oxide, which allows you to turn it on with a very low voltage. Unfortunately in this case Intel biased the transistor with too high of a voltage, resulting in higher than expected leakage current. Depending on the physical characteristics of the transistor the leakage current here can increase over time which can ultimately result in this failure on the 3Gbps ports. The fact that the 3Gbps and 6Gbps circuits have their own independent clocking trees is what ensures that this problem is limited to only ports 2 - 5 off the controller.

You can coax the problem out earlier by testing the PCH at increased voltage and temperature levels. By increasing one or both of these values you can simulate load over time and that’s how the problem was initially discovered. Intel believes that any current issues users have with SATA performance/compatibility/reliability are likely unrelated to the hardware bug.

One fix for this type of a problem would be to scale down the voltage applied across the problematic transistor. In this case there’s a much simpler option. The source of the problem is actually not even a key part of the 6-series chipset design, it’s remnant of an earlier design that’s no longer needed. In our Sandy Bridge review I pointed out the fair amount of design reuse that was done in creating the 6-series chipset. The solution Intel has devised is to simply remove voltage to the transistor. The chip is functionally no different, but by permanently disabling the transistor the problem will never arise.

To make matters worse, the problem was inserted at the B-stepping of the 6-series chipsets. Earlier steppings (such as what we previewed last summer) didn’t have the problem. Unfortunately for Intel, only B-stepping chipsets shipped to customers. Since the fix involves cutting off voltage to a transistor it will be fixed with a new spin of metal and you’ll get a new associated stepping (presumably C-stepping?).
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However Intel was very careful to point out that this is not a full blown recall. If you have a desktop system with six SATA ports driven off of P67/H67 chipset, there’s a chance (at least 5%) that during normal use some of the 3Gbps ports will stop working over the course of 3 years. The longer you use the ports, the higher that percentage will be. If you fall into this category, chances are your motherboard manufacturer will set up some sort of an exchange where you get a fixed board. The motherboard manufacturer could simply desolder your 6-series chipset and replace it with a newer stepping if it wanted to be frugal.

Intel maintains that Sandy Bridge CPUs are not affected, and current users are highly unlikely to encounter the issue even under heavy loads. So far Intel has only been able to document the issue after running extended testing at high temperatures (in a thermal chamber) and voltages. My recommendation is to try to only use ports 0 & 1 (the 6Gbps ports) on your 6-series motherboard until you get a replacement in place.
From AnandTech's The Source of Intel's Cougar Point SATA Bug
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Did some quick OC http://valid.canardpc.com/show_oc.php?id=1631329
can't seem to lower the QPI below 1.31 and PLL lower than 1.86

Hasn't tried lower the Vcore, but doesn't really make a difference now.
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Did some quick OC http://valid.canardpc.com/show_oc.php?id=1631329
can't seem to lower the QPI below 1.31 and PLL lower than 1.86

Hasn't tried lower the Vcore, but doesn't really make a difference now.
Ooooh, 4000 MHz flat, pretty!

My CPU likes to skip around

Very nice OC!
    
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Hey all! I know I'm new to the forums, but I've been lurking for a while, especially this thread. Bought my i7 950 at Micro Center in Dallas for $200 a couple of weeks ago and have been playing with the clocks.

The heat is KILLER. It is game-stable and 3DMARK stable as they don't full-load the processor. Soon as I turn on prime, in no time I will reach TJ Max in no time. I have a Xigmatek Dark Knight, but it's not doing the job. For now, it's "everyday stable" at 4.19 (182x23) at DVID of 1.34. I've chosen to leave HT on for all. I had it flat at 183x23 (4.2) but it wanted 1.36 for that. I've mostly struggled with getting the right memory settings and all that. BUT I did get it to boot and validate at 4.32, 1.408, which is the bare minimum for submission, right?

So how's my chip, pretty average?

Batch: 3038A289

http://valid.canardpc.com/show_oc.php?id=1627083
    
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A Dark Knight really isn't enough for an overclocked i7. It's okay for a stock one or an i5, i3, or C2D Dual or Quad Core, but an i7 is more than it can really handle once you crank them up.
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Yeah, that's what I figured. I'm thinking I'll probably get a Noctua D14 when I get the chance. Will that handle it?
    
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Hey all! I know I'm new to the forums, but I've been lurking for a while, especially this thread. Bought my i7 950 at Micro Center in Dallas for $200 a couple of weeks ago and have been playing with the clocks.

The heat is KILLER. It is game-stable and 3DMARK stable as they don't full-load the processor. Soon as I turn on prime, in no time I will reach TJ Max in no time. I have a Xigmatek Dark Knight, but it's not doing the job. For now, it's "everyday stable" at 4.19 (182x23) at DVID of 1.34. I've chosen to leave HT on for all. I had it flat at 183x23 (4.2) but it wanted 1.36 for that. I've mostly struggled with getting the right memory settings and all that. BUT I did get it to boot and validate at 4.32, 1.408, which is the bare minimum for submission, right?

So how's my chip, pretty average?

Batch: 3038A289

http://valid.canardpc.com/show_oc.php?id=1627083
We don't have a minimum OC here. You'd make it into the 4 GHz Overclock Club and 1GHz Overclock Club (Above standard clocks) too.

Average chip, yes, but not everyone overclocks that far. AH, you used 24x too. I'll just go and add you.
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That should, but you might want to see what some of the others recommend for it.
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Hey all! I know I'm new to the forums, but I've been lurking for a while, especially this thread. Bought my i7 950 at Micro Center in Dallas for $200 a couple of weeks ago and have been playing with the clocks.

The heat is KILLER. It is game-stable and 3DMARK stable as they don't full-load the processor. Soon as I turn on prime, in no time I will reach TJ Max in no time. I have a Xigmatek Dark Knight, but it's not doing the job. For now, it's "everyday stable" at 4.19 (182x23) at DVID of 1.34. I've chosen to leave HT on for all. I had it flat at 183x23 (4.2) but it wanted 1.36 for that. I've mostly struggled with getting the right memory settings and all that. BUT I did get it to boot and validate at 4.32, 1.408, which is the bare minimum for submission, right?

So how's my chip, pretty average?

Batch: 3038A289

http://valid.canardpc.com/show_oc.php?id=1627083


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Intel Core i7 3970X ASUS X79 ROG Rampage IV Extreme Bios 2105 EVGA KingPin Classified 780 Ti 3GB Tri-SLI  G.Skill Trident X F3-2400C10Q-16GTX 16GB (... 
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OCZ Vertex 4 SSD Seagate Barracuda 1TB ST31000524AS Lite-On IHAS124 24X DVDRW 3 x XSPC Rasa 750 RX360 Universal CPU Water Coo... 
CoolingOSMonitorPower
3 x EK-FC780 GTX Classy - Nickel Windows 7 Professional x64 3 x Dell U2412M SilverStone 1500W V2.2 x 2 
Case
Lian Li Pitstop T60 Testbench 
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i7 - 5960X Asus Rampage Extreme V Gigabyte Titan X 12GB G.SKILL Ripjaws 4 series 16GB (4 x 4GB) 288-Pin... 
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Samsung 850 Pro Series 1TB SSD 3 x Seagate 2TB  Seagate 3TB LG 
CoolingCoolingOSMonitor
Phobya Xtreme 1260 Radiator XSPC D5 Photon 170 Reservoir/Pump Combo Microsoft Windows 7 Professional 64bit with SP1  Samsung S34E790C 34in Ultrawide Curved LED Mo... 
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Microsoft Wireless 3000 Silverstone ST1500 Antec Eleven Hundred Microsoft Wireless 3000 
AudioAudioAudio
Audioengine D1 Premium 24-Bit DAC Audioengine 5+ Premium Powered Speakers Black Audioengine S8 Black 
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i7 3960X Asus Rampage IV Extreme Gainward "GOOD" GTX 580 x 2 AData x 2 
Hard DriveCoolingCoolingOS
Seagate XSPC Rasa EX 360 crossflow kit x 2, XSPC Rasa E... EK GW-580 Waterblocks Win 7 Pro 
PowerCase
SilverStone Strider ST1500 InWin D Frame 
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Intel Core i7 3970X ASUS X79 ROG Rampage IV Extreme Bios 2105 EVGA KingPin Classified 780 Ti 3GB Tri-SLI  G.Skill Trident X F3-2400C10Q-16GTX 16GB (... 
Hard DriveHard DriveOptical DriveCooling
OCZ Vertex 4 SSD Seagate Barracuda 1TB ST31000524AS Lite-On IHAS124 24X DVDRW 3 x XSPC Rasa 750 RX360 Universal CPU Water Coo... 
CoolingOSMonitorPower
3 x EK-FC780 GTX Classy - Nickel Windows 7 Professional x64 3 x Dell U2412M SilverStone 1500W V2.2 x 2 
Case
Lian Li Pitstop T60 Testbench 
CPUMotherboardGraphicsRAM
i7 - 5960X Asus Rampage Extreme V Gigabyte Titan X 12GB G.SKILL Ripjaws 4 series 16GB (4 x 4GB) 288-Pin... 
Hard DriveHard DriveHard DriveOptical Drive
Samsung 850 Pro Series 1TB SSD 3 x Seagate 2TB  Seagate 3TB LG 
CoolingCoolingOSMonitor
Phobya Xtreme 1260 Radiator XSPC D5 Photon 170 Reservoir/Pump Combo Microsoft Windows 7 Professional 64bit with SP1  Samsung S34E790C 34in Ultrawide Curved LED Mo... 
KeyboardPowerCaseMouse
Microsoft Wireless 3000 Silverstone ST1500 Antec Eleven Hundred Microsoft Wireless 3000 
AudioAudioAudio
Audioengine D1 Premium 24-Bit DAC Audioengine 5+ Premium Powered Speakers Black Audioengine S8 Black 
CPUMotherboardGraphicsRAM
i7 3960X Asus Rampage IV Extreme Gainward "GOOD" GTX 580 x 2 AData x 2 
Hard DriveCoolingCoolingOS
Seagate XSPC Rasa EX 360 crossflow kit x 2, XSPC Rasa E... EK GW-580 Waterblocks Win 7 Pro 
PowerCase
SilverStone Strider ST1500 InWin D Frame 
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