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Yes I'm sorry I haven't tried every gun. I was pretty pissed when I wrote that. I'm getting the first hit off 90percent of the time and I'm still losing to it no matter what range i'm at, except when I play shotgun close range in the subways or w/ SV98.

You just said it's the best gun at that rank...so you're essentially agreeing with me that this gun IS OP. When 80 percent of the players in the servers don't have access to that gun and are getting dominated by the few that do? What other shooter do you know of where the UMP is the main weapon of choice...ever? Also I just played 3 level 30's in my last two matches using UMP's. You're making the same sweeping generalizations i did.

I've been playing FPS on a regular basis for around 15 years and played some cal-im in CS, so I'm not a complete noob. I've never understood or liked the fact that you had to unlock guns rather than everyone having access to them from the beginning where the playing field is even and you don't have to force yourself to use a gun you hate, just to get the next one. I get to play 30-45 minutes a day max and the idea of grinding/unlocking guns in an FPS is not enjoyable.

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You haven't even tried every gun, at every range yet you spit this dribble out. I'm really freaking TIRED of you guys saying this. It's NOT OP~ at all. Go ahead and try out the A-91, the G36C, the M416, the KH2002, the F2000~ any of the above before you try to cuss out a basic Rank 15 weapon. It's freaking horrible at range. You have got to be joking.

All you low-mid level players who encounter this weapon because MOST OF YOU are the same level, so no duh you're going to die to it alot. It's the best weapon at that rank. After rank 24~ you're not going to see high level players EVER EVER EVER using an UMP 45.

Every single person you see at max level, go ahead and tell me what weapon they're using. Don't be shocked when it isn't the UMP.

Training wheels on a bike. They sure don't let it tip over. Great for learning. Very basic~ but nobody freaking uses it once you learn how to ride the damn thing.

You're calling training wheels OP.
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The one thing I am really annoyed with is people having scopes on shotguns (870) and killing you one shot from +20 feet away. It's just dumb.
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Yes I'm sorry I haven't tried every gun. I was pretty pissed when I wrote that. I'm getting the first hit off 90percent of the time and I'm still losing to it no matter what range i'm at, except when I play shotgun close range in the subways.

You just said it's the best gun at that rank...so you're essentially agreeing with me that this gun IS OP. When 80 percent of the players in the servers don't have access to that gun and are getting dominated by the few that do? What other shooter do you know of where the UMP is the main weapon of choice...ever? Also I just played 3 level 30's in my last two matches using UMP's. You're making the same sweeping generalizations i did.

I've been playing FPS on a regular basis for around 15 years and played some cal-im in CS, so I'm not a complete noob. I've never understood or liked the fact that you had to unlock guns rather than everyone having access to them from the beginning where the playing field is even and you don't have to force yourself to use a gun you hate, just to get the next one. I get to play 30-45 minutes a day max and the idea of grinding/unlocking guns in an FPS is not enjoyable.
Um, it being the best PDW at that rank doesn't make it OP. Overpowered implies a baseline of strength. Yes, later weapons are stronger than starter weapons. Why does this surprise you? The SVD, as good as it is, will not kill people like the M40 will~ but it doesn't make the SVD a piece of crap.

If you don't like this concept, this concept of building your character to reach higher tiers of play, then you're going to have to abandon ship and leave. There's no going around this. Also, saying 80% of the players not having access to the rifle is laughable. Rank 15 is two days of play max.

Not to mention, you get access to weapons like the M416 as Assault, prior to even getting this weapon. Support gets access to the M249 prior as well, which is arguably superior at its role. Both of these weapons are in use by level 45s FAR more than the UMP and they're early!

It is the strongest PDW at that rank, and that's not arguable. I never said it was OP, because to be OVERpowered, you have to be OVER something, and it's not OVER 70% of the weapons in this game! Even the PP2000 which you unlock prior to the UMP is ridiculously effective.

The only thing that makes the UMP as good as it is, is its burst fire select which fires 2 rounds, and its quick reload speed. But I bet neither of these factors come into mind when you say it's OP. Usually, it's damage~ and that's not why the UMP is even good. Even when they nerf it's damage, it's going to be a great weapon.

As it should be, I don't get why a weapon of this renown as the UMP 45, one of the greatest machine pistols ever build has to be tarnished because people can't deal with the fact that bullets kill people.

The A-91 is the unlock PRIOR to the G36C. Logic would say the G36C would be better for me as an Engineer. But it's not. The A-91, to me, is one of the best weapons in the bloody game. Yet stats would say otherwise. This game has an amazing gun balance. Even a starter M16A4 has more potential than any other games starter weapons.

Just because something is one of the strongest PDWs doesn't mean it's OVERpowered from others. It simply fits the roles of more people at close quarters combat. The P90, is JUST as good, if not better than the UMP, but it's not in use by more people because you're not Rank 40 yet.

...and even then, you might prefer the UMPs slower rate of fire. It's preference~ and choice, and at Rank 15, you don't have a lot of choice.

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The one thing I am really annoyed with is people having scopes on shotguns (870) and killing you one shot from +20 feet away. It's just dumb.
So getting killed by an AR, Carbine or Sniper Rifle preferable? They all can do the exact same thing at those ranges.
Edited by Inverse - 10/6/11 at 10:55pm
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What other shooter do you know of where the UMP is the main weapon of choice...ever?
MW2.

All the guns in this game are pretty much the same. I really don't think there is any "Over-Powered" guns at all.
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G36C > UMP45 in every way!
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Also, if you're seeing someone Rank 30+ using the UMP, it's most likely because they're switching classes and are using a PDW to make up for the fact they want access to better weapons in the class.

For example, if I was a maxed Engineer but wanted to start off as Support, I would prefer using the UMP or even the 870 Combat for a few clicks instead of the IAR M27.
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I'm just using the Ump45 on my recon class until I get my MAV. Just curious...am I the only that thinks scoped 870 one shot kills from long distances is just ridiculously stupid?
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Also, if you're seeing someone Rank 30+ using the UMP, it's most likely because they're switching classes and are using a PDW to make up for the fact they want access to better weapons in the class.

For example, if I was a maxed Engineer but wanted to start off as Support, I would prefer using the UMP or even the 870 Combat for a few clicks instead of the IAR M27.
This is what I do, UMP with recon class! So I can set mobile spawns and rush!
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I was just playing and at rank 25. All of a sudden I was disconnected from the server and now all my stats and level are back at 0...***. Has this happened to anyone else?
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This is what I do, UMP with recon class! So I can set mobile spawns and rush!
Same thing I was doing
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