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I'm just using the Ump45 on my recon class until I get my MAV. Just curious...am I the only that thinks scoped 870 one shot kills from long distances is just ridiculously stupid?
Scoped? stock is way better and goes really really far away without any efforts (1 shot)
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I was just playing and at rank 25. All of a sudden I was disconnected from the server and now all my stats and level are back at 0...***. Has this happened to anyone else?
Well that sucks...Well look at it this way. Beta is ending soon anyways lol
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I'm just using the Ump45 on my recon class until I get my MAV. Just curious...am I the only that thinks scoped 870 one shot kills from long distances is just ridiculously stupid?
So far, from what I've seen~ anything the scoped shotgun can do, it could have done with a red dot sight. I've yet to see one shot kills at ranges outside of ranges the weapon could have done already.


Many of these hits aren't even single shot at sniper range. If he had used a rifle or carbine it would have been easier than what he put himself through half the time. Shotguns with scopes are used for hunting and combat all the time.

The ones where he was killing with one hit, would have been just as effective had he used a Holo sight.

I want to see an example, a single example of a shotgun used to actually one shot snipe someone in this game at far ranges.

In Bad Company 2, it was horrible, I'll agree. I was able to snipe people with the zoom iron sights in that game.
Edited by Inverse - 10/6/11 at 11:09pm
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Scoped? stock is way better and goes really really far away without any efforts (1 shot)
I just don't think a shotgun should be able to one shot someone from that far away
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I usually don't ever record games when I'm playing but unfortunately it has happened to me quite a number of times and I'm not even exaggerating lol
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G36C > UMP45 in every way!
Got that right, i got disconnected
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So 3 and a half weeks until final release....can't wait
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What's the deal with communication in this game? I only see the squad ticker thingy pop up every once in a while when someone says something, then it goes away before I can read it all... is there a button to push to make it come back?
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I'm retracting my OP statement. Like I said, I just played a few very frustrating matches and needed to vent. However, it's still ridiculous how powerful the UMP is and how easy it is to use versus other guns, and at a variety of ranges in operation metro. I can hit them first and lose a majority of the time. Even with close range SV98 where they are left with 5 hp and can kill me while i switch to pistol to fire another shot, b/c of the rate of fire. Also yes you start with m4 but spray with ump>spray with m4. In a close range map like this, it happens a lot.

I don't mind the concept of tiers but in Starcraft and WoW the higher leveled players are separated (for the most part) and don't interact with the lower levels. When a few people get a 2 days head start for the beta to get those level 16 ump's, others start off at a severe disadvantage of playing with access to fewer weapons, and take longer to level. Most of the servers I joined are players under level 20, and mostly under level 15. Granted I've only played an hour today, but it's very annoying to constantly see camping UMP's w/ flashlight or using recon/spawning behind your spawn to kill you when you spawn. The worst part about spawning in front of them is you see them, hit them once or twice, and die, and they run off and hide.


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Um, it being the best PDW at that rank doesn't make it OP. Overpowered implies a baseline of strength. Yes, later weapons are stronger than starter weapons. Why does this surprise you? The SVD, as good as it is, will not kill people like the M40 will~ but it doesn't make the SVD a piece of crap.

If you don't like this concept, this concept of building your character to reach higher tiers of play, then you're going to have to abandon ship and leave. There's no going around this. Also, saying 80% of the players not having access to the rifle is laughable. Rank 15 is two days of play max.

Not to mention, you get access to weapons like the M416 as Assault, prior to even getting this weapon. Support gets access to the M249 prior as well, which is arguably superior at its role. Both of these weapons are in use by level 45s FAR more than the UMP and they're early!

It is the strongest PDW at that rank, and that's not arguable. I never said it was OP, because to be OVERpowered, you have to be OVER something, and it's not OVER 70% of the weapons in this game! Even the PP2000 which you unlock prior to the UMP is ridiculously effective.

The only thing that makes the UMP as good as it is, is its burst fire select which fires 2 rounds, and its quick reload speed. But I bet neither of these factors come into mind when you say it's OP. Usually, it's damage~ and that's not why the UMP is even good. Even when they nerf it's damage, it's going to be a great weapon.

As it should be, I don't get why a weapon of this renown as the UMP 45, one of the greatest machine pistols ever build has to be tarnished because people can't deal with the fact that bullets kill people.

The A-91 is the unlock PRIOR to the G36C. Logic would say the G36C would be better for me as an Engineer. But it's not. The A-91, to me, is one of the best weapons in the bloody game. Yet stats would say otherwise. This game has an amazing gun balance. Even a starter M16A4 has more potential than any other games starter weapons.

Just because something is one of the strongest PDWs doesn't mean it's OVERpowered from others. It simply fits the roles of more people at close quarters combat. The P90, is JUST as good, if not better than the UMP, but it's not in use by more people because you're not Rank 40 yet.

...and even then, you might prefer the UMPs slower rate of fire. It's preference~ and choice, and at Rank 15, you don't have a lot of choice.



So getting killed by an AR, Carbine or Sniper Rifle preferable? They all can do the exact same thing at those ranges.
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Honestly I find that play style and strategy is critically far more important than whatever gun that I am using. I can use a pistol and still wreck people but I admit that I can only probably do that at this point of time because there are so many idiots in this beta. When I play against people who are in squads and actually do the objectives then I have to start playing seriously.
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