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To make a suppressor effective you need to use subsonic rounds. This means lower muzzle velocity. This is the effect they are trying to emulate in game.
How so? Eliminating flash, reducing recoil, gaining muzzle velocity, and lower sound by 25-30dbs (depending) almost to the level of a .22lr are huge advantages. Subsonic loads are just that subsonic which would make it pretty ridiculous to hit a target at 100yds let alone 800yds. Subsonic loads would need to cause less damage also if that's the case. Also you'd have to manually cycle round through most semi automatics considering the round doesn't put enough gas through the gas tube to properly cycle the bolt carrier.

Suppressors are very audible don't get me wrong but from a long range standpoint it's not all about sound suppression, muzzle flash/blast debris plays a huge role in getting caught also. Break on the M82 is an example that comes to mind. Would be interesting if in dusty environments if you were prone and were sniping dust flew up...

I know thats a little extreme, it's just something i wish devs would quit. Every FPS i've ever played almost, you attach a suppressor and dmg or velocity goes down.

They need to release beta already.
Edited by Blackops_2 - 9/7/11 at 2:58pm
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If you look at the alpha or played it for that matter.. imagining it in HC would be almost like a sim lol. The regular mode in alpha felt like BC2's HC IMO.
That's true but HARDCORE FTW! Not noob friendly 3D spotting lameness and other health regenerating stuff which makes medic useless
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That's true but HARDCORE FTW! Not noob friendly 3D spotting lameness and other health regenerating stuff which makes medic useless
I agree, if health regen stays in i'll be right there in HC. 3D spotting does indeed need to be removed. I'm wondering how commo rose will look.
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How do you think xfired 5830s will handle bf3?
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3D spotting will only be from within vehicles.
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3D spotting will only be from within vehicles.
I thought i read it was being taken out but googled it and couldn't find any results.
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How so? Eliminating flash, reducing recoil, gaining muzzle velocity, and lower sound by 25-30dbs (depending) almost to the level of a .22lr are huge advantages. Subsonic loads are just that subsonic which would make it pretty ridiculous to hit a target at 100yds let alone 800yds. Subsonic loads would need to cause less damage also if that's the case. Also you'd have to manually cycle round through most semi automatics considering the round doesn't put enough gas through the gas tube to properly cycle the bolt carrier.
Well here's the thing, the muzzle velocity is only increased by 35FPS +/-10FPS on an M4. That's not gonna make a huge difference. Accuracy would be affected at extreme ranges only.

And alot of subsonic rounds don't have problems, companies that manufacture ammunition are learning way to control the powder to allow subsonic ammunition to have the ability to cycle the weapon. Plus, there are parts available to help the weapon cycle if it has a design problems.

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Suppressors are very audible don't get me wrong but from a long range standpoint it's not all about sound suppression, muzzle blast plays a huge role in getting caught also. Break on the M82 is an example that comes to mind. Would be interesting if in dusty environments if you were prone and were sniping dust flew up...
That, sir, would be awesome!

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I know thats a little extreme, it's just something i wish devs would quit. Every FPS i've ever played almost, you attach a suppressor and dmg or velocity goes down.
Yes, They deserve the old adage: You're doing it wrong.

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They need to release beta already.
Yes, they do.
 
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3D spotting is a good thing. In BF3, 3D spotting will only work if you can see the person. To me personally, it's lame how in MoH and BC2 all these people are running around with LMG's and SMG's with sniper scopes, camping and picking off bottlenecks and spawn points. It's stupid and lame. You'll never see IRL, an LMG or SMG with a sniper scope.
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I saw references to HC mode on the last page, has HC mode been confirmed? I would think that BF3 would be like BF2 and have only one mode of play.
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...MUST have the beta now!



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