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post #11 of 1538
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Originally Posted by yashau View Post
Oh, sorry after looking it up a bit more yes, it's only present in the A9500. I have tested two mice with the normal 9500 (Xai and Naos 5000) and they both don't have the negative acceleration.
I have tested this with the Xai and two G500's. They all have positive acceleration and they all hit negative acceleration on cloth pads well before their claimed speeds. Qck, Talent, Goliathus it doesn't matter. The sensor is flawed.
post #12 of 1538
I guess you took the max. speeds from ESReality MouseScore and that Japanese Guy (PC-MAX.de also has a benchtable)?
I wouldn't take some of those as "fixed absolute values", ESReality MouseScore is limited to the QcK and the Japanese Guy also has some of his results only on 1-2 surfaces.

Now some additions:

MS Habu:

it has the same sensor as the CH (S3018), dunno how put that on Wikipedia.

MX518:
Not sure on what version of the MX518 those 2 benches where done but perfect controle speed can be higher than 2m/s.

G9x/G500/G700
On what are those speeds based, a mix between the official specs and the benchtable results? (official specs would be 4.19m/s btw).

Razer DB:

The Plasma has the same sensor as the Krait (S3018) with an IR LED.

Orochi:

Same sensor as the Lachesis, no need for the "?".

Ikari Optical:

Afaik the Ikari loads the A3080 srom if set to 1600 CPI, so they aren't interpolated.

Ikari Laser:

It's OviationONS I, not II

Iirc it goes down to 1 CPI (exclusive to SS).

Xai:
Actually "Mouse Prediction: No, can enable" would be correct but that's just me being funny.

It's A9500, not S9500, and iirc it goes down to 100 CPI.

Zowie EX1/2:

Afaik the same as with the Ikari Optical, so no Interpolation.

Would need a "*" because a different lens affects the tracking speeds.

A4Tech X-718BK:

A3080

+ you can add interpolation for every A4Tech mouse

NAOS 3200:

From what I have read it only offers 800/1600/3200 CPI.
Whatever that means even more interpolation is present or they really use a 3rd party lens (unlikely).

Roccat Kova:

iirc it uses an IR LED

Philips twin-eye:

I wouldn't call it V1 and V2, that sensor was around before the Lachesis (originaly used in a Logitech mobile mouse).

Afaik the 3200 CPI version (Silverstone Raven) would be PLN 2030, 4000 CPI is PLN 2031 and the 5600 CPI one would be the PLN 2032.
post #13 of 1538
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Originally Posted by Bullveyr View Post
I guess you took the max. speeds from ESReality MouseScore and that Japanese Guy (PC-MAX.de also has a benchtable)?
I wouldn't take some of those as "fixed absolute values", ESReality MouseScore is limited to the QcK and the Japanese Guy also has some of his results only on 1-2 surfaces.

Now some additions:

MS Habu:

it has the same sensor as the CH (S3018), dunno how put that on Wikipedia.

MX518:
Not sure on what version of the MX518 those 2 benches where done but perfect controle speed can be higher than 2m/s.

G9x/G500/G700
On what are those speeds based, a mix between the official specs and the benchtable results? (official specs would be 4.19m/s btw).

Razer DB:

The Plasma has the same sensor as the Krait (S3018) with an IR LED.

Orochi:

Same sensor as the Lachesis, no need for the "?".

Ikari Optical:

Afaik the Ikari loads the A3080 srom if set to 1600 CPI, so they aren't interpolated.

Ikari Laser:

It's OviationONS I, not II

Iirc it goes down to 1 CPI (exclusive to SS).

Xai:
Actually "Mouse Prediction: No, can enable" would be correct but that's just me being funny.

It's A9500, not S9500, and iirc it goes down to 100 CPI.

Zowie EX1/2:

Afaik the same as with the Ikari Optical, so no Interpolation.

Would need a "*" because a different lens affects the tracking speeds.

A4Tech X-718BK:

A3080

+ you can add interpolation for every A4Tech mouse

NAOS 3200:

From what I have read it only offers 800/1600/3200 CPI.
Whatever that means even more interpolation is present or they really use a 3rd party lens (unlikely).

Roccat Kova:

iirc it uses an IR LED

Philips twin-eye:

I wouldn't call it V1 and V2, that sensor was around before the Lachesis (originaly used in a Logitech mobile mouse).

Afaik the 3200 CPI version (Silverstone Raven) would be PLN 2030, 4000 CPI is PLN 2031 and the 5600 CPI one would be the PLN 2032.
Alrite, will fix.

Just making it clear that the google spreadsheet is open to everyone. Anyone can edit if they find something wrong.


Edit. Is the habu LED or Laser? It starts with an LED sensor code, but the perfect control and malfunction speeds tested @ esreality were in laser territory.

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Originally Posted by Tyson86-88 View Post
I thought at g1 and mx510 is established Avago 3060
I'm confused about this as well. Between Perfect control and malfunction rates, none of the 3060's match up with each other. They're either using custom firmware or something along the lines. Sujoy and others on esreality stated that the sensor was indeed a S2020.

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Originally Posted by lb_felipe View Post
Does the G9x work so good as G500 on 9HD?

Through some posts I have read that the negative acceleration in G500 is avoided by using the 4HD/9HD. As its sensor is exactly the same used in G9x (different to used in Xai), would it work well on that surface mousepad?
Hard pad is preferred. May people experience random positive/negative acceleration on cloth. Avago themselves have confirmed this problem with all versions of the ADNS-9500.


Quote:
Originally Posted by yashau View Post
I have also heard of negative accel on the Avago 9500 but have so far failed to reproduce any. I do get a bit of positive regardless of the surface I use. I really can't find any reputable source of info. Your post has got me confused too lol :|
About the lift distance. I thought it depended on the sensor
Depends on sensor position and or lens. Take the Ikari Optical and Zowie EC1/2 for example. Same sensor, but the Ikari has a LOD of 3.5mm and the EC1/2 has a LOD of 1.5mm.

Edit: If you want a column for LOD, then sure I guess we can do that, but I'm going to need help filling it in. Just making it clear that it's going to be based on the mouse, and not the sensor.

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Originally Posted by rpgman1 View Post
So which mice do you recommend if you want the least amount of problems?
That depends on your grip and surface.
Edited by Skylit - 10/28/10 at 10:46am
post #14 of 1538
For me, I'm mostly a palm gripper (switched to claw on some games) on a hard surface mat. Trying to wonder which mice would work for me.
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post #15 of 1538
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Originally Posted by Skylit View Post
Alrite, will fix.

Just making it clear that the google spreadsheet is open to everyone. Anyone can edit if they find something wrong.
I know but I will certainly not make a google account.

Quote:
Edit. Is the habu LED or Laser? It starts with an LED sensor code, but the perfect control and malfunction speeds tested @ esreality were in laser territory.
Ups, my fault, it's ofc S6018 (ADNS-6010).

Quote:
I'm confused about this as well. Between Perfect control and malfunction rates, none of the 3060's match up with each other. They're either using custom firmware or something along the lines. Sujoy and others on esreality stated that the sensor was indeed a S2020.
Jep, G1/MX310/MX510 have the S2020 which was exclusive to Logitech, just like the A2020 (most likely same hardware).

Quote:
Hard pad is preferred. May people experience random positive/negative acceleration on cloth. Avago themselves have confirmed this problem with all versions of the ADNS-9500.
but they don't say that it will have real accel. probs on cloth in general.

Quote:
Depends on sensor position and or lens. Take the Ikari Optical and Zowie EC1/2 for example. Same sensor, but the Ikari has a LOD of 3.5mm and the EC1/2 has a LOD of 1.5mm.

Edit: If you want a column for LOD, then sure I guess we can do that, but I'm going to need help filling it in. Just making it clear that it's going to be based on the mouse, and not the sensor.
Lens and sensor position is in most cases pretty much the same but there are other factors.

A LOD chart would need many different mouse pads.
post #16 of 1538
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Originally Posted by yashau View Post
Btw you're being too hard on your English it's all good imo.
Thanks for encouragement.

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Originally Posted by Skylit View Post
Hard pad is preferred. May people experience random positive/negative acceleration on cloth. Avago themselves have confirmed this problem with all versions of the ADNS-9500.
Thanks for reply.

So G9x and G500 both have same performance on a same mousepad. Is it right?
post #17 of 1538
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Avago Sues STMicroelectronics Over Patents for Mice:

March 18 (Bloomberg) -- Avago Technologies Ltd., a maker of semiconductor products, filed a patent-infringement lawsuit against STMicroelectronics NV over sensors used in optical mice.
...
The complaint, filed March 15 in federal court in Tyler, Texas, names the SteelSeries Kinzu Optical Mouse that contains STMicro components as one example of an infringing product.
...
Source

Now I can finaly tell that the Kinzu has a sensor from STMicroelectronics.
post #18 of 1538
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Originally Posted by Bullveyr View Post
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Now I can finaly tell that the Kinzu has a sensor from STMicroelectronics.

How the hell does a company manage to make one of the best and one of the worse mouse sensors on the market?

Kinda sucks that they're getting sued over a failed product, but then again, they seem to be raking in the money. http://online.wsj.com/article/BT-CO-...26-722349.html
Edited by Skylit - 10/29/10 at 1:00am
post #19 of 1538
They always got outperformed by Avago, on thze plus side they only had the very low LOD.
(I don't coun't angle snapping because it has nothing to do with the technical quality of a sensor).
They were never able to make a modern sensor (higher CPI and IPS).

The sensor department is surely not the biggest one.
The sensor might be a fail but I would guess SS sold a a not too low number of Kinzus.

Not the first and not the last time Avago sues because of their sensor patents.
post #20 of 1538



Did microsoft sneek an avago sensor into the newer WMO's? I have a couple of original 2002-2003 models and they look nothing alike, Infact, the original sensor pcb is a lot smaller and looks like it shares the same hardware as the IE3.0/IO1.1. This on the other hand, dosen't...
Edited by Skylit - 10/29/10 at 3:46pm
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