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post #121 of 1549
Quote:
Originally Posted by Skylit;12232573 
That list is not really a fact sheet, but a user generated list based on personal preference/knowledge. I know it's somewhat flawed, but it gives users a chance to voice thier opinions on mice they've used and I guess that's somewhat better than me telling people that they use a flawed mouse.. :|

Fair enough smile.gif

On a different note though, it would be awesome to have some more columns on the table in this thread, to somehow include the various problems with the mice in addition to prediction. Like jitter and on what pads, dynamic dpi (which is hugely annoying) and ofc any other gripes. The list is awesome though! However I couldn't edit it at all by following the link.

edit: maybe even a "comments" column, so one could just add some info that doesn't fit in a specific column.
post #122 of 1549
Quote:
Originally Posted by bushwakko;12232614 
Fair enough smile.gif

On a different note though, it would be awesome to have some more columns on the table in this thread, to somehow include the various problems with the mice in addition to prediction. Like jitter and on what pads, dynamic dpi (which is hugely annoying) and ofc any other gripes. The list is awesome though! However I couldn't edit it at all by following the link.

edit: maybe even a "comments" column, so one could just add some info that doesn't fit in a specific column.

That sounds good, I'll be happy to expand this list with more columns if it helps the community.

Oh and are you sure you couldn't edit? Click on Google spreadsheet> and then click on edit this page at the bottom of the screen.

Pretty sure this list is still open to the public.
post #123 of 1549
Ah! I found the "edit this page" thing now. But I'd like to come to an agreement before just editing away, and adding new colunmns. For example it'd be nice to have either a jitter column that could be "none", "on cloth", "on hard pad" etc. or we could have a "jitter on cloth" and "jitter on hard pad" column with either yes or no in them. Also, the "perfect control" name is a little misleading, since a mouse might track perfectly at 5m/s but fail miserably at 0,5m/s (as my imperator does because of dynamic dpi, and all the jittery mice does). I feel that accurate/unaccelerated slow movement is also important in many games. Any input here would be nice!

I also have a specific question as well. I've seen on this page: http://wikis.jp/interfacedevice/index.php?MaximumSpeed_en#a82dcc80 that the g9x seems to track very well all the way up to 6m/s in a fairly straight line, but I've also read that all the 9500 sensors have positive acceleration. Doesn't that graph actually contradict that? I am confuse! (on the experience pad the line seems a little wavy, is this accel?)
post #124 of 1549
I have an interesting thing to note. About jitter, on my mx518 and im sure results can be replicated with other mice. So what happened was I had a small desk and had to rotate my doormat...opps i meant qck heavy sideways(vertically). I played like this for a while then I tested my malfunction speed for the first time and found it to be pretty low. What happened specifically is if i move my mouse at a certain speed, the Xhair would jump to the sky or floor. It came to me to rotate the mousepad to the original position and then i couldn't hit the malfunction rate as hard as I tried.
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post #125 of 1549
Just for fun, guys.

These two devices cost equally:

razer_deathadder_obzor2.jpg
95052_2245_draft.jpg

1st is Razer Detadder. 2nd is MSI H55M-P31 motherboard. Technically motherboard is much much much more complicated. Only one chipset or video chip is much more expensive than DeathAdder mouse. But both devices market-price is about $80.

It's realy funny.
Edited by outerspace - 2/2/11 at 12:02pm
post #126 of 1549
I find
http://www.overclock.net/mice/786643-overall-mouse-user-comparison-rating-finding.html
to be pretty subjective as well. That's why my suggestion would be to keep this one as objective as possible or at least at a sensible compromise between objective and subjective.

I further suggest adding columns (after Angle Snapping/Prediction) for:

LOD (Lift-Off Distance) [mm]
Z-Axis Tracking
Jitter
Dynamic Resolution Scaling
Other Issues
Weight [g]
(Comments)

I think Perfect Control (maximum speed without neg./pos. accel.) is good as it is, mainly because it is defined like that on ESR and it is at least somewhat objective without being too complicated and confusing. If there are special cases of acceleration like bushwakko mentioned, they could be described in the Other Issues column along with any other unlisted problem.

Weight is not really sensor related, however, I find it highly important for evaluating the feel of a mouse and it is easily measured objectively. If not stated otherwise, the weight should be given as value WITHOUT cable wink.gif

I suggest that - where available - the source of any information shall be noted in a comment to the respective field. Since on OCN the comments of the Google Spreadsheet are added below as some legend, we might want to decide on some common "tags" (comments) so the "legend" won't grow extensively. This could look something like:
Perfect Control/Malfunction Speed: "user measurement"/one of these: http://www.overclock.net/11620260-post35.html
Weight: "vendor specs"/"user measurement"/URL

We could also decide to include some kind of custom legend within the Spreadsheet so anybody could edit the explanations so far given only in Skylit's post.

Now, that all sounds a bit complicated but I think it only is when you try to describe the changes instead of applying them wink.gif If some of you agree, I would just go ahead and edit the sheet. Don't wanna hijack but Skylit has mentioned several times now, that his time is limited wink.gif

Edit: Great -.- Didn't know there was a auto-save on the spreadsheet! So now everything I had planned has been changed already, sorry 'bout that...
Let me know what you think about it nonetheless :-/
Edited by Kragarmendes - 2/5/11 at 6:16am
post #127 of 1549
Quote:
Originally Posted by Kragarmendes;12270342 
I find
http://www.overclock.net/mice/786643-overall-mouse-user-comparison-rating-finding.html
to be pretty subjective as well. That's why my suggestion would be to keep this one as objective as possible or at least at a sensible compromise between objective and subjective.

I further suggest adding columns (after Angle Snapping/Prediction) for:

LOD (Lift-Off Distance) [mm]
Z-Axis Tracking
Jitter
Dynamic Resolution Scaling
Other Issues
Weight [g]
(Comments)


Edit: Great -.- Didn't know there was a auto-save on the spreadsheet! So now everything I had planned has been changed already, sorry 'bout that...
Let me know what you think about it nonetheless :-/

It looks good, although I think we could ditch the z-axis column since its only an issue with one type of sensor (PTE).
Edited by Skylit - 2/5/11 at 8:58am
post #128 of 1549
Ok, z-axis is removed again. How about the dynamic scaling is that an issue for sensors other than the PTE? smile.gif
post #129 of 1549
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Originally Posted by Kragarmendes;12271693 
Ok, z-axis is removed again. How about the dynamic scaling is that an issue for sensors other than the PTE? smile.gif

That and jitter could be written on the "other issues" Tab, Infact, you can just rename that to "Notes/Issues" or anything that comes to mind.
post #130 of 1549
I was bored so tested the LOD on my Xai and MS3.0 and found them both to have 1.2mm(1 CD) LOD. I tried this on my wooden desk, 9HD, and Qck Heavy.
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