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I have a cybersnipa stinger.

I recorded some movements with your mouselogger but I don't have anything to open them with, so if someone would be so kind as to make the graphs for me, the .wavs are attached. DPI = 1400, polling rate = 1000hz.

Also, it seems this mouse does have angle snapping or w/e it's called:


Anything else I can add?

EDIT: DPI ranges from 400 to 3200.

Edited by biltong - 4/6/11 at 4:20pm
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post #242 of 1549
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Originally Posted by biltong View Post
I recorded some movements with your mouselogger but I don't have anything to open them with, so if someone would be so kind as to make the graphs for me, the .wavs are attached. DPI = 1400, polling rate = 1000hz.
Here you go:

Decent, looks like it has a real 1000hz polling rate occording to outerspace.


And here it is skipping like crazy at 2m/s, tracking seems pretty solid until you hit that point though.
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Sounds quite reasonable for a A6010 mouse (depending on mousepad).
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Okay, I found some more time to test this thing out again.

Quote:
Originally Posted by Kragarmendes View Post
About the graphs:
What I find most disturbing is the huge negative acceleration (clipping) of the M6900, and it's so ironic since it's supposed to be 1000Hz. Even if it still had an 8bit-sensor, it should do way better @1000Hz (like the old MS-mice). One could argue that 1.5m/s is enough for gaming if you are not too far into low-sense but it just doesn't make any sense.
Yeah, I'm pretty okay with 2m/s, I rarely ever hit that. This is my main problem, anything over 1m/s with this thing is a crap shoot:

Oddly when I tried it on my laptop it acted exactly the same, but every once in a while it would bust out one of these:

I think this mouse just really, really wants to be at 500hz.

Quote:
Originally Posted by Kragarmendes View Post
About the MX310:
433Hz is a strange polling rate. I assume you manually overclocked the mouse. What value did you set it to? There are cases where, if you overclocked your mouse too high, it would report with irregular polling rate. So if you looked at a tool only reporting the maximum or average poling rate you might get something like 433Hz whereas actually the polling rate is jumping around. This would also match the regular drops to zero seen in your graphs. You should definitely have a go with 250Hz and see if the drops to zero disappear.
It's set to 500hz but 433 is the most is can really do. This is what it looks like at 250, seems to match up with Outerspace's graph:


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The M6900's drop in the flick-shot is probably sensor related or tracking was lost due to a slight unintentional lift-off.
Generally, your desk is possibly not the optimal surface for testing your sensors for flawless behaviour
I've tried on a couple different mouse pads and on my laptop too, results are always the same sadly.
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Originally Posted by Kragarmendes View Post
A MS-paint picture of the reported jitter would also be nice.
I take that back, it actually tracks really well in paint, there's no jitter and only a little prediction. 1600dpi is definitely the max it can do though, anything above that and the interpolation is pretty noticeable.
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Here you go:

Decent, looks like it has a real 1000hz polling rate occording to outerspace.


And here it is skipping like crazy at 2m/s, tracking seems pretty solid until you hit that point though.
Thanks I <3 this mouse, the only problem is that it only lasts about a year or so before a wire breaks or it just conks out. This was done on a cloth mat BTW, here is a link.

I doubt I ever move my mouse that fast anyway
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Dont have a clue which damn mouse i should use then as the DA and zowie are not comfy and things like the roccat kone plus are not comfy to hold. I am looking at the coolermaster spawn but im not sure that will be the right mouse as you said i have claw. I will say some of you palm does make contact when clawing. The back of my hand contacts the back of the mouse. Im sure i am a claw. That is according to the razere grip guide.
The CM Storm Spawn should be relatively good for clawers with all the palm grip mice around. You might also have a look at the Mionix Naos. It is fairly big as well but a good deal lower in hight.

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Originally Posted by biltong View Post
I have a cybersnipa stinger.

I recorded some movements with your mouselogger but I don't have anything to open them with, so if someone would be so kind as to make the graphs for me, the .wavs are attached. DPI = 1400, polling rate = 1000hz.

Also, it seems this mouse does have angle snapping or w/e it's called:


Anything else I can add?

EDIT: DPI ranges from 400 to 3200.
Try Audacity or get a proper analyst software like Octave.

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Originally Posted by PUKED View Post
Okay, I found some more time to test this thing out again.


Yeah, I'm pretty okay with 2m/s, I rarely ever hit that. This is my main problem, anything over 1m/s with this thing is a crap shoot:

Oddly when I tried it on my laptop it acted exactly the same, but every once in a while it would bust out one of these:

I think this mouse just really, really wants to be at 500hz.



It's set to 500hz but 433 is the most is can really do. This is what it looks like at 250, seems to match up with Outerspace's graph:



I've tried on a couple different mouse pads and on my laptop too, results are always the same sadly.

I take that back, it actually tracks really well in paint, there's no jitter and only a little prediction. 1600dpi is definitely the max it can do though, anything above that and the interpolation is pretty noticeable.
The 500Hz graph does look much better indeed!
Did you actively change the polling rate somehow? I can't imagine how it would change spontaneously by itself. Not impossible but fairly strange, I would say
On
http://www.vortez.net/articles_pages..._review,5.html
the gui to change polling rate for the M6980 can be seen. Is there no such thing for the M6900? Also, which tool did you use for manual USB overclocking? Some tools mess up more than they fix

I was already planning to get a PixArt-based mouse. If there is no jitter and a way to get it to work @500Hz, it looks decent and I might stick to the plan

MX310: Ok, 250Hz looks normal. Probably the safer/more stable setting to use.
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Originally Posted by Kragarmendes View Post
The 500Hz graph does look much better indeed!
Did you actively change the polling rate somehow? I can't imagine how it would change spontaneously by itself. Not impossible but fairly strange, I would say
Did it all by itself, and it's only happened twice so far. Even weirder the speed it hits there is what other mice that use this sensor are supposed to get.

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Originally Posted by Kragarmendes View Post
On
http://www.vortez.net/articles_pages..._review,5.html
the gui to change polling rate for the M6980 can be seen. Is there no such thing for the M6900? Also, which tool did you use for manual USB overclocking? Some tools mess up more than they fix
The m6900 one is completely different and really basic. Tool I used is HIDUSB.

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Originally Posted by Kragarmendes View Post
I was already planning to get a PixArt-based mouse. If there is no jitter and a way to get it to work @500Hz, it looks decent and I might stick to the plan
The one Bullveyr has actually looks sweet as hell:



IE1.1 shape, top isn't all shiny plastic, choice between 500 and 1000hz, and I think it's the only pixart mouse out there with a centered sensor.

The pixart sensor seems decent though, no jitter, only a little prediction, LOD <2mm, and it's supposed to be able to hit 3m/s at 1600dpi. Impossible to tell if there's acceleration though with all the skipping.

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MX310: Ok, 250Hz looks normal. Probably the safer/more stable setting to use.
That max speed though D:
post #248 of 1549
Bought myself a WMO 1.1a. (It came in a bag!)

It's soooo light compared to the Deathadder omggggg!

Also got an IME 3.0, will be seeing how it compares to the DA.
Edited by cuad - 4/9/11 at 6:49pm
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Bought myself a WMO 1.1a. (It came in a bag!)

Added weight. (88g) It's soooo light compared to the Deathadder omggggg!
The WMO 1.1a weighs 79g (at least on my scale).

Can you take a picture of it weighing 88g?
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The WMO 1.1a weighs 79g (at least on my scale).

Can you take a picture of it weighing 88g?
I use an analog/mechanical(?) scale in oz, estimate and convert. But 1 oz = 28 grams so it's easy to be off by a lot. I went to Fry's just now with my DA, IME 3.0 and WMO and put them all on a digital scale multiple times. Results I got were roughly 80g 95g and 110g for the WMO, IME and DA 3.5G.

So yes your original data is more accurate. I changed it back. It's gonna be interesting though when someone sees my measurement for the DA3.5G at 110, and the measurement for the DA3G at 133, lol.
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