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post #301 of 1549
Quote:
Originally Posted by Skylit;13659084 
They could have either:

Used the same sensor in both the 3200 and 1800 and capped the maximum resolution.
Or
They're using the CYONS2000(1)-LBXC 1600 CPI rated sensor scaled up to 1800 CPI.

Bullveyr can correct me if I'm giving you the wrong information tongue.gif
I would go for the first option, they have a first generation sensor from Cypress (like the Ikari), not the current second generation.
Quote:
Originally Posted by Fir3ball;13667287 
Thanks Skylit.
I have one more question. Does the Saiph 1800 have any kind of
problems, like positive or negative acceleration or angle
snapping?
Shouldn't have angle snapping but the max. speed isn't really high (based on my experience with the Ikari).
post #302 of 1549
Just tested Kinzu. Sorry, but it's really piece of ****. Terrible negaccel (surely less than 1.6 m/s but I cant tell accurate speed cuz of accel). Skips on almost all movements (but sometimes it's not skips that someone can distinguish from negaccel). Acceleration algorithm looks strange and unintelligible for me. Poorest gaming sensor that I ever tested.

I need additional equipment for accurate measurements but that I see is enough for me for never buy this device.

How players can enjoy it?
Edited by outerspace - 6/1/11 at 9:13am
post #303 of 1549
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Originally Posted by outerspace View Post
Just tested Kinzu. Sorry, but it's really piece of ****. Terrible negaccel (surely less than 1.6 m/s but I cant tell accurate speed cuz of accel). Skips on almost all movements (but sometimes it's not skips that someone can distinguish from negaccel). Acceleration algorithm looks strange and unintelligible for me. Poorest gaming sensor that I ever tested.

I need additional equipment for accurate measurements but that I see is enough for me for never buy this device.

How players can enjoy it?
Yep the kinzu has the worst sensor I have ever used. After using the mouse for 5 minutes I remember thinking to myself, How the hell did this thing get released with a steelseries logo on it? At some point during production someone had to have plugged the thing into a PC to give it a test drive right???? After reading their marketing it sounded like Steelseries wanted to provide quality products without the BS.

That was the day that I realized Steelseries was just another joke of a company that knew nothing about mice.
Edited by Derp - 6/1/11 at 3:37pm
post #304 of 1549
Quote:
Originally Posted by Derp View Post
Yep the kinzu has the worst sensor I have ever used. After using the mouse for 5 minutes I remember thinking to myself, How the hell did this thing get released with a steelseries logo on it? At some point during production someone had to have plugged the thing into a PC to give it a test drive right???? After reading their marketing it sounded like Steelseries wanted to provide quality products without the BS.

That was the day that I realized Steelseries was just another joke of a company that knew nothing about mice.
Because the average gamer is not willing to pay the price for a quality mouse with a quality sensor and quality mousefeet. The average gamer want high dpi and as many LEDs as possible
post #305 of 1549
a4tech made cheap mice with very good optical sensors (ADNS 3060, ADNS 3080), real teflon feets (3 additional complete set in package), adjustable dpi (100-3200 dpi with 50 dpi step), onboard memory, macroses support and all this dont need driver. Only problem is quality. Sometimes it break down soon. But from my personal statistic not sooner than some SS or razer products. In this point logitech mice is the best.
post #306 of 1549
Hi,

Just posting to show the tests I did using outerspace Mouse Logger.


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Originally Posted by F u r u y á View Post
Yes, there is.

I didn't confirmed whether it trully is 3G sensor though [by opening the mouse to check the sensor chip (and voiding the warranty)].

From preliminary tests, it doesn't match the numbers for a 3G sensor mouse from Skylit table (perfect control and malfunction speeds) and I'm yet to test it in another dpi's. Here's is the tests I've made using outerspace's Mouse Logger.

Perfect controlIn-game top speed

As you can see, the mouse easily meets my requirements. I have the dpi I need, with no jitter, no prediction and perfect control fairly above my in-game top speed (LOD is 3~4 CDs though). And, as I said, those were tested only with one specific dpi (1600) which could even be interpolated or something. Later I will make more tests with different dpi's.
When I test it in other dpi's I will post here. If possible I will make available a R script that generates a png file just like those I've made so that any user can plot his own graphics from the .log file and we can easily compare our mice!


I would like to say *thank you* to Skylit (for this thread and the spreadsheet), outerspace (for the mouse logger and great instructions) and Kragarmendes (for showing that we can use the .log file)!
post #307 of 1549
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Originally Posted by F u r u y á View Post
Hi,

Just posting to show the tests I did using outerspace Mouse Logger.




When I test it in other dpi's I will post here. If possible I will make available a R script that generates a png file just like those I've made so that any user can plot his own graphics from the .log file and we can easily compare our mice!


I would like to say *thank you* to Skylit (for this thread and the spreadsheet), outerspace (for the mouse logger and great instructions) and Kragarmendes (for showing that we can use the .log file)!
Sorry. Some of the numbers on this thread were originanly from manual testing via ESR on a SS QCK+. Outerspace's logger is software based and may differ from the original perfect control and malfunction rates listed. Same thing goes for a program like enotus mouse test. Things like Mousepads and or different types of surfaces can also effect both the lift off and maximum tested rates.

I'll likely split these sheets into confirmed (outerspace's logger) and unconfirmed since I don't have the proper materials or time to manual test.
post #308 of 1549
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Originally Posted by Skylit View Post
Sorry. Some of the numbers on this thread were originanly from manual testing via ESR on a SS QCK+. Outerspace's logger is software based and may differ from the original perfect control and malfunction rates listed. Same thing goes for a program like enotus mouse test. Things like Mousepads and or different types of surfaces can also effect both the lift off and maximum tested rates.

I'll likely split these sheets into confirmed (outerspace's logger) and unconfirmed since I don't have the proper materials or time to manual test.
Not exactly the answer I was expecting.

In any moment I intended to say that your table was wrong; in fact, notice in my previous message that I'm not even trusting that my mouse has legit 3G sensor. Also of course I'm aware that outerspace mouse logger data isn't 100% reliable, but as it was already discussed here it's a good starting point to have some notion about the mouse hardware and it's a very convinient way to test and compare mice without expensive equipment, I even worked hard in the R script but whatever. Bye.
post #309 of 1549
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Originally Posted by F u r u y á View Post
Not exactly the answer I was expecting.

In any moment I intended to say that your table was wrong; in fact, notice in my previous message that I'm not even trusting that my mouse has legit 3G sensor. Also of course I'm aware that outerspace mouse logger data isn't 100% reliable, but as it was already discussed here it's a good starting point to have some notion about the mouse hardware and it's a very convinient way to test and compare mice without expensive equipment, I even worked hard in the R script but whatever. Bye.
F u r u y á

I'm kind of a selective reader and skimmed over your post. I would like to say thank you for taking the time to compile a R script for everyone to use. If possible, I would like to work with you and others in reshaping this thread. Maybe it came out wrong, but the above post was merely explaining that I haven't had time to work on this thread and would like to re-create a more accurate table with the community as a whole. My apologies.
Edited by Skylit - 6/3/11 at 1:21pm
post #310 of 1549
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Originally Posted by F u r u y á View Post
If possible I will make available a R script that generates a png file just like those I've made so that any user can plot his own graphics from the .log file and we can easily compare our mice!
It would be very good.

Can you give me .bin file with mouse movement recrods for Abyssus at 500 Hz?

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Originally Posted by Skylit View Post
Outerspace's logger is software based and may differ from the original perfect control and malfunction rates listed.
I just note that logger is unreliable for detect negaccel and malfunction speed when mouse have accel. And it's almost unreliable for detect malfunction speed if it's above negaccel speed. But you can do it if you can make (and record) reference movement with reference mouse .
Edited by outerspace - 6/4/11 at 5:44am
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