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post #511 of 1496
Hello everyone, this is my first post here. The reason I need your opinion is that I have a hard time finding a mouse suiting my, probably, demanding needs.

To begin with, I used to play hardcore FPS games back in my student days 2002 to 2007. I have used different mice and mousepads mainly from curiosity, and to find that little something which would make my gameplay better. I used:

- dell typical ball mouse
- ms optical mouse, the very first one
- mx500
- mx510
- razer diamondback
- razer copperhead
- logitech g5 v1

ratpadz, func, steelpad 5L, qpad CT, steelseries S&S,qck, black icemat,

To cut a long story short, my best combination ever was razer diamondback magma + qpad. The diamonback was the best mouse for me, claw gripper here with big hands but found it perfect for my aim. Precise, accurate, light, usb polling rate to 500hz, no acceleration fix and set to 1600dpi. After serving me a good 3 years of hardcore use it started to break, going on and off all the time. I then used the g5 which just wasn't good for me. It was skipping a lot, the very first laser g5 that was with one button on the side. For some time I quit gaming and now that I'm back into it, I started playing team fortress 2. I play on 1920x1080 on 23" monitor with 2ms refresh rate. My setup is decent, and It handles that resolution without any problem.

I've read a lot, and when I say a lot I mean A LOT. I needed a mouse to play again on a competitive level and g5 nor mx510 which I still have, couldn't do the trick. G5 because of the skipping and mx510 because of 800 dpi which are pretty low for me on that resolution and ingame if I raised the sensitivity I would lose on accuracy so It was not an option.

I needed a diamondback again. After a lot of reading I went out a bought a razer diamondback 3g earth green, the last one I found in a local store. Discontinued model, yet I've read a lot of things saying it was better than the first one. But unfortunately, it's not. The first one which had the BEST accuracy I ever had from a mouse, and not only the ones I listed but I've tried many others on different lan parties I've attended. The 3g version has far from the accuracy I want in my game, and why is that? Because of the huge mouse correction which I never heard before for some reason and something I missed when i was looking for which mouse to buy...Now I know my question is very typical nowadays but what I need from a mouse is:

- accuracy on 1920x1080 for mid-high sens in fps gaming so low dpi are not an option
- lightweight
- claw grip preferably but I can live up with anything which would give me the feeling of my old db
- no drift control/correction/angle snapping whatsoever!!
- no negative or positive acceleration

Any suggestions? I'm desperate and I can't afford spending 200 euros on mice just to try all the ones people are suggesting. I lean towards razer deathadder respawn version with the 3,5g sensor which has a firmware fixing drift control or is it coming without from factory? I'm confused. What would be the mouse meeting my needs other than that?

Thank your for your time and answers in advance.
post #512 of 1496
Hey. Do you recall which diamondback you used? Standard or Plasma edition?

Mouse used like 4 different sensors, although all of them had moderate amounts of "drift control/correction/angle snapping"

Original version had the Avago 3070/3080 (I think the 3070 had tracking problems)
Plasma version used the Avago 3088
The 3G version was the latest which used the Avago 3668

Deathadder/Abyssus 3.5G come with angle snapping/prediction set low.

Deathadder has upgradable firmware, while the Abyssus may suffer from jittery tracking as it they all differ from firmware set. (not upgradable)

I'd lean towards the abyssus based on your preferences and needs.
Edited by Skylit - 12/10/11 at 4:26pm
post #513 of 1496
Hello Koeman, I'd go with the Deathadder 3G if you can find it anywhere (and if 1800 DPI is enough). I've had Logitech's G5v2, G500, Razer Krait, Razer Deathadder 3G, Roccat Kone v2, and I can say that the Deathadder 1800 DPI was the most precise one of them all.
I didn't try the Deathadder 3.5G so I can't give you advice on that. Well, the jitter problems with the DA 3.5G have been fixed with firmware upgrades, so it should be as good as the 3G.
Edited by Crypto72 - 12/11/11 at 2:51am
post #514 of 1496
@skylit: I have the first version of diamondback which came out, the magma edition:

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@crypto72: The 3G version of deathadder is very hard to find. They all sell the 3,5version - Deathadder Respawn and I just feel that if I buy it I'm taking a risk and might be disappointed since everyone talks about the old DA and some feedback saying that firmware update didn't help with prediction (can't recall where I've read that, I'm lost into google). If however the latest firmware is working flawlessly i would consider it. 1800dpi are more than enough for me (1920x1080 res, 6/11 windows, no accel fix and no accell commands on game startup, 1,50 sens ingame - team fortress 2 that is)

Thanks for your replies guys, appreciated. Just to let you know about the sequel of my story, I was about to reincarnate my old diamondback since I DO find a difference compared to the 3G and I didn't want to give up so easily. I found an old ms optical comfort 3000 mouse, took its cable off and I was gonna switch it with the one on my Diamondback which seems to be faulty (mouse was going on and off all the time, tried almost everything and I gave up). For some reason, I said to myself wait a bit before you do the change..Plugged my old diamondback to a separete usb hub, and surprisingly it worked without a hitch for the next 5 hours - gaming included! 1600 dpi, no drivers installed (windows 7 64bit), windows sens 6/11, no enhance mouse precision, 125hz polling rate. The feeling is absolutely amazing of having my diamondback working again...until it starts breaking on me again or something.

I would like to mention a couple of things though. I've always used the mouse @ 500hz. Since I haven't got any issues with it yet @ 125hz I'm thinking maybe 500hz will cause trouble? Maybe it got old and can't stand 500hz anymore so this is why 125hz work like a charm so far? Also played around with the cable, nothing happenned (and I was about to change the cable, remember..)

I don't know what to think, so far so good. In any case I have the db 3g brand new sitting next to me, but If the old one keeps working I will keep the 3g as a backup.

Now, the other thing worth mentioning and I will close this long message (again) is something I've noticed in mspaint: yes, the old diamondback can draw straight lines with ease. So it does have prediction (I thought it didn't since that's the reason I disliked the 3g at first!!!). Guys, as I said in my first message I've never heard of "prediction/correction/drift control/angle snapping" before and I considered the db as the best mouse I've ever used in fps gaming. Now I see it has prediction but probably a low level of it or something? I was amazed, really I didn't know I was playing with prediction all these years and after reading tons of topics about it, I think it got me biased to my DB 3g's judgement. However I insist, the reason I probably didn't know it back in the days must be that it has really low levels of prediction - that's my best guess.

I will keep you posted with anything that comes up in this diamondback's adventure of mine, I need to do more testing!

thank you for your time!
Edited by Koeman - 12/13/11 at 5:37am
post #515 of 1496
Glad it worked out for you, I think the DB has decent amounts of prediction, but it's not something you ever notice unless you are used to mice without prediction (more accurately, with much less prediction, it's not gone completely). Out of all the optical mice you listed only the MS one probably had much less prediction. It's a preference thing, it's not a given that a mouse with less prediction is better, it's just different.
post #516 of 1496
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Originally Posted by Koeman View Post

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- ms optical mouse, the very first one
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If you are talking about the "Microsoft Intelli Mouse with IntelliEye" (seriously, who came up with that name?), you are my friend.
Best ever shape, used it for about eight years - far too long since the sensor sucks biggrin.gif
Also three buttons is not to my liking...

Given your selection and comments, you don't seem like much of a palmer.
Since you are also mid-high sense I demand that you try a ADNS-9500 mouse!
(G9x has good shape but feels flimsy and rattly in my hands but that might be subjective...)
People say the ADNS-9500 had positive acceleration but no matter how hard I tried, I could never find a trace of it.
So you should give it a try since it is pretty much flawless otherwise.
Apart from the G9x and Xai there are more palmy alternatives:
- Roccat Kone[+] (the plus is NOT optional)
- Mionix Naos 5000 (low palm shape)
- several cheaper ones (see list)

With the most recent firmwares the CM Storm Spawn is also a good option.
post #517 of 1496
@Kragarmendes: Yes mate, that's the one I'm talking about smile.gif Great mouse it was! I have big hands yet I believe I am a a fingertip/claw gripper indeed. I expertised in fingertip grip when first got hold of the diamondback and since then I can't palm any mouse, it just doesn't work for me. Even the ones you are supposed to palm, I'll claw them sooner or later tongue.gif

From all the mice you've listed, I envy the CM Storm Spawn the most! The looks are subjective and the ergonomy of the shape well, it's supposed to be good for my kind of grip. The least I care about is comfort to be honest, It can't be worse than diamondback, really. However I've been looking on their "unofficial" support forum and even if coolermaster is known to me for making PSU's and cases, they look to care a lot about customer feedback and trying to fix things via firmware update. The spawn looks very promising, only thing holding me back to give it a try is people who own it are not so many (to the extend of my knowledge) and I would like more opinions from serious fps gamers. The price is tempting though!

I will take a look of the adns-9500, but it's laser and I haven't had the best of experience with that technology so far. Thank you for your feedback mate!
post #518 of 1496
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Originally Posted by thirtyseven View Post

Glad it worked out for you, I think the DB has decent amounts of prediction, but it's not something you ever notice unless you are used to mice without prediction (more accurately, with much less prediction, it's not gone completely). Out of all the optical mice you listed only the MS one probably had much less prediction. It's a preference thing, it's not a given that a mouse with less prediction is better, it's just different.

Exactly my friend, recent experience proved that to myself! You should see my face when I plugged my diamondback in and started drawing straight lines in mspaint. I was "shocked", i believed I won't draw them straight..but I was wrong. This proves what you said, It seems I was used to prediction with the diamondback and I didn't know it back in the days because it was so much better than my previous mouse. Until you notice the difference with another mouse, you may never "feel" what people are talking about. If you ignore its existance, it won't affect your gameplay at all because you're used to it since day 1.

Forums are amazing, so much information...it drives you crazy, you can never choose what to buy tongue.gif

On a sidenote, great forum - great topic guys.
Edited by Koeman - 12/14/11 at 3:54am
post #519 of 1496
For Internals List Update.

Thermaltake Tt eSPORTS:
Azurues - http://www1.oc.com.tw/forums/forumview.asp?id=7&msgid=528 , http://www.coolaler.com/showthread.php?t=254318
Azurues mini - http://www.olympc.cn/diy/mouse/2011/0916/69433.html

Qpad:
OM-75 - http://news.jinti.com/shangpin/1228786.htm

Microsoft Sidewinder X5 Avago ADNS-6A010 <----

edit: better quality photos of Qpads http://tu.pcpop.com/pic-738715-11.htm#show
Edited by AquaSurfer - 12/20/11 at 4:46am
post #520 of 1496
Quote:
Originally Posted by Skylit View Post

Hey. Do you recall which diamondback you used? Standard or Plasma edition?
Mouse used like 4 different sensors, although all of them had moderate amounts of "drift control/correction/angle snapping"
Original version had the Avago 3070/3080 (I think the 3070 had tracking problems)
Plasma version used the Avago 3088
The 3G version was the latest which used the Avago 3668
Deathadder/Abyssus 3.5G come with angle snapping/prediction set low.
Deathadder has upgradable firmware, while the Abyssus may suffer from jittery tracking as it they all differ from firmware set. (not upgradable)
I'd lean towards the abyssus based on your preferences and needs.

so you say my DA 3.5G has prediction?
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