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post #521 of 1549
Hey all ...


I apologize if this has been answered but I was reading through from page 1 and hit page 10 thinking .... I will just ask and get it over with ... lol ...


I am looking at getting the, Razer Lachesis (5600 dpi version) ... ... Which sensor does it use ... cause I have heard bad things about the twin eye 2031 ...

Also ... I have relatively large hands (tip of middle finger to base of hand = approx. 20cm <<7.9">>) ... is this mouse a good option for me as I claw grip ... or is there better mice for the price ...


all information would be greatly appreciated ... smile.gif
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post #522 of 1549
i am thinking of replacing my g400 because i can't get used to it. my first option would be razer salmosa (i know about squeaky buttons, but have wd40 in stock). how are perfect control rate and malfunction speed of salmosa compared to g400 (i have the one with 3080 sensor), higher or lower?

i did some measurements of g400 with enotus but i simply don't belive that it's perfect control goes as high as 4.4 m/s...
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post #523 of 1549
Hi All
Firstly I'd like to thank everyone who contributed to this post and the mice forum in general.
I've been playing QuakeWorld for many years and I thought I'm expert when it comes to mice and mouse pads.
It turned out that I knew almost null and I have been only enlightened after reading ocn mouse section.

I'd like to contribute to the community and I have made test of my G500 on various surfaces.
Please not those are not intended to show how fast mouse can be moved before reaching malfunction speed but
only to show tracking in usual gaming condition.

The tests are done on OCed Q6600, 8GB of ram on Windows 7.
Mouse sensor is Avago ADNS-9500.
Logitech Setpoint version is 5.46.10/driver 5.33.14 and mouse firmware verion 58.18 ( all newest at the time of writing this ).

Test on hard pad Icemat I-2 in blue measuring 30cmx25cm:
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Test on soft cloth mat - Raptor-Gaming P8 measuring 40cmx30cm( real size is 38cmx27cm):
Normal cloth side:

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Teflon covered side, fast one, probably similar to Zowie G-TF Speed mat:
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So I only picked good looking samples, there were quite a few that looked terrible. I think they're because of moving mat or falling outside it while trying to perform a quick swipe.
I think the mouse has a problem with repeated ultra quick swipes but I'm not actually sure how to interpret those tightly draw graphs.

Here is link to source files already amplified as mentioned in instruction file and full quality images: http://sobol.org/forum
Edited by sobol - 1/12/12 at 2:09pm
post #524 of 1549
So Today I've received G400 prediction free sample.

I have read on logitech forums one of representative comments.
According to him G400 sensor Avago ADNS-S3095 has two native dpi resolutions 800 and 3600, the rest is interpolated.

I've tested both and it seems that 3600 dpi is no good on any surfaces. As soon as 2m/s speed is hit the mouse suffer negative acceleration.
On 800 dpi setting it tracks flawless even with 4m/s, but notice that glass pad produce some minor inconsistencies.

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Edited by sobol - 1/12/12 at 2:26pm
post #525 of 1549
G400 Avago ADNS-A3080E/S3095?

Shouldn't G400 have ADNS-3090? The first G400s was with prediction(S3095?) and the new ones is without prediction (So it is ADNS-3090?).

And are you sure about ZOWIE EC sensor? Beacouse they have all prediction... I mean they arent then ADNS-3060?
post #526 of 1549
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Originally Posted by Amstrad View Post

G400 Avago ADNS-A3080E/S3095?
Shouldn't G400 have ADNS-3090? The first G400s was with prediction(S3095?) and the new ones is without prediction (So it is ADNS-3090?).
And are you sure about ZOWIE EC sensor? Beacouse they have all prediction... I mean they arent then ADNS-3060?

Technically the hardware or sensor IC's are pretty similar.

Yes, the G400's are coded as A3080E or S3095. The ones that say "A3080E" are likely left overs from the 518 v2 flashed with the "S3095" 800/3600 CPI firmware exclusive to logitech.

"3090" is the "open source" sensor branding typically running 1800/3500 CPI. Firmware could be purchased with or without prediction.

And yes, I'm sure Zowie EC series are equipped with 3060's. They run a 3080 firmware and utilize a higher than "normal" lens magnification allowing the sensor to scale as high as 2000 CPI. They have angle snapping or "prediction" enabled as the firmware can't be purchased with it off.

@sobol, nice graphs biggrin.gif
Edited by Skylit - 2/21/12 at 1:39pm
post #527 of 1549
I don't think the Zowie EC1/EC2 have prediction and both use an Avago ADNS 3060 sensor plus you can get either size in white, black or blue. The only thing bad is that the

clicks wear out after about 8 months ( I have had two and Zowie won't even replace them when they die within the purchase year). I just ordered a logitech g300 to try

fingertipping on a sensor not many have used with prediction. I have went through about 40 mice since 2006 and I just want one that lasts and doesn't suck (plus I have had

issues with every laser sensor on every mouse I have bought from SS, Razer, Logitech, Roccat, Mionix, Coolermaster and OCZ.I am a high sensitivity gamer with very small

hands and seeking the perfect mouse, any suggestions?
Edited by d34thly - 1/23/12 at 10:19pm
post #528 of 1549
Zowie EC1/EC2 actually do have prediction. Pretty big prediction at that.
post #529 of 1549
Quote:
Originally Posted by d34thly View Post

I don't think the Zowie EC1/EC2 have prediction and both use an Avago ADNS 3060 sensor plus you can get either size in white, black or blue. The only thing bad is that the

clicks wear out after about 8 months ( I have had two and Zowie won't even replace them when they die within the purchase year). I just ordered a logitech g300 to try
fingertipping on a sensor not many have used with prediction. I have went through about 40 mice since 2006 and I just want one that lasts and doesn't suck (plus I have had
issues with every laser sensor on every mouse I have bought from SS, Razer, Logitech, Roccat, Mionix, Coolermaster and OCZ.I am a high sensitivity gamer with very small
hands and seeking the perfect mouse, any suggestions?

The firmware for the specific sensor is only available with angle snapping (prediction) on.

I could recommend mice, but my opinions are generally bias towards components, quality, and price. What do you want in a mouse exactly?
post #530 of 1549
Hmm...

So you mean ALL G400 are truly ADNS-3080E? They are just named "S3095" except "MX518v2 leftovers" where is still "ADNS-3080E" labeled in sensor?

So there is incorrect information in http://www.f-paper.com/?i715960_8# ?

"G400 Logitech mouse using the optical engine is also from Avago hand, model S3095, A3090 chip is special for the version of Logitech, the Logitech has been the core of Avago and partnership, mouse Logitech G400 sampling rate compared to the classic version of the DeathAdder Black to be slightly higher for 3600DPI. other parameters the same. "
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