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post #81 of 1560
Same sensor as Roccat Pyra: PixArt PAW3305DK-H
3200 CPI most likely interpolated
post #82 of 1560
Quote:
Originally Posted by Skylit;12044628 
I had one, but steelseries was kind enough to take it back and send me an ikari optical.


To put it simple, the mouse malfunctions way before 2 m/s. It's somewhere around 1.35-1.5 m/s from what I can estimate as an individual.

Do you want to test your Ikari Optical?
post #83 of 1560
Quote:
Originally Posted by ChieFz;12064626 
ROCCAT Kova[+]
Info ?

Yea I want to know if it has prediction smile.gif
post #84 of 1560
I try explain to all how work my little instrument. Who know English better than me (my is very bad), please help me correct the text below.

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Mouse with polling rate 500 Hz send movement data to OS each 2 ms (1/500 Hz = 0.002 s = 2 ms). What kind of data? It's counts.

Example:
If you move mouse with 400 CPI (Counts Per Inch) for 2 inch, than OS recive 800 counts (400 cpi x 2 inch). Just imagine that in first 2 ms mouse send to OS 200 counts, in second 2 ms - 400 counts, in third - 200 counts. Sum = 200+400+200 = 800 counts.So in first 2 ms mouse moved for: 200counts/400cpi=0.5 inch. In second 2 ms: 400counts/400cpi=1 inch. In third 2 ms: 200counts/400cpi=0.5 inch. So, speed in first 2 ms: 0.5inch/2ms= 0.5inch/0.002s = 250 inch/sec. Speed in second 2 ms: 1inch/2ms= 1inch/0.002s = 500 inch/sec. Speed in third 2 ms: 0.5inch/2ms= 0.5inch/0.002s = 250 inch/sec.

We can record data of mouse movent by loger into the file and convert that file to wav. When we open this file in sound editor we can see time on horizontal axis (with 2 ms step - OS recived data every 2 ms or mouse work with 500 Hz polling rate). On vertical axis we can see counts recived by OS (or sended by mouse). Now we can convert counts to speed in "mm/s". Method described above. Final formula is: 25,4/(CPI*T), where 25,4 = number of mm in 1 inch, CPI - mouse CPI, T - polling rate in seconds (for 2 ms it's 2/1000 = 0.002 seconds).

Example:
For mouse with 400 CPI and 500 Hz (2 ms) it's 25.4/(400*0.002)=31,75. So we should increase scale (amplify signal in audio editor) in 31.75 times (or 3175%) to get "mm/s" on vertical axis.

Now results of real expirements:

One of recorded movements for Logitech G3 mouse:
g3max.png

We can see that sensor fall to zero when mouse reach speed about 2000 mm/sec. You can think that is malfunction speed. But is not accuracy. We can see that sensor start catch surface in about 1600 mm/sec - it's more impotant for us. And after analyse other recorded movments we can shurely say that real malfunction speed on tested surface is about 1500-1600 mm/sec.

One of recorded movements for IMO 1.1a:
ms11max.png

In this graph we can see that negaccel speed of IMO 1.1a is about 1500 mm/sec. And when speed reach peak (it's about 2000-2200 mm/sec) cursor speed don't fall to zero as G3. It just get a little lower than negaccel value. It's good.

So, I measure with this simple instruments perfomance of two mouse in specific surface and estimate negaccel speed for MS, and malunction speed for G3. In my opinion 1.1a work better than G3 on this surface.
Edited by outerspace - 1/22/11 at 10:26am
post #85 of 1560
Some programmer easy can write good and usefull program that use this simple method.
Edited by outerspace - 1/22/11 at 3:04pm
post #86 of 1560
Is this true concerning the xai's dpi?
Quote:
Originally Posted by clownfart;9187769 
For the DPI make sure you use steps of 90, it's how the sensor was designed. Use w/e is comfortable.

Also why does my xai reset to 500hz everytime i turn off my computer?
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post #87 of 1560
yep, everything else is interpolated by the MCU

dunno about your polling rate issue
post #88 of 1560
so 450 dpi is fine as compared to the interpolated 400dpi.
wat is the recommend hz to run the xai on? like for the ms3.0 and 1.1 its 500hz.
Edited by v193r - 1/23/11 at 7:29pm
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post #89 of 1560
jep, 450 CPI is fine

use the pollingrate that feels best for you (smoth, responsive, stable)
post #90 of 1560
Quote:
Originally Posted by Conditioned;12087488 
Yea I want to know if it has prediction smile.gif


the Kova[+] is using a little prediction. the Kone[+] doesn't use it at all.


from roccat support.
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