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Intel SpeedStep Tech: Disabled
Xtreme Phase Full Power Mode: enabled
Bclk: 177
Pcie: 100
DRAM freq: 2:6 (1064MHz)
Qpi freq: auto
Cpu volt: 1.35
IMC/VTT volt: 1.3
Dram volt: 1.5
Cpu PLL volt: 1.80
Pch volt: auto
Dram data ref volt on cha: auto
Dram data ref volt on chb: auto
LLC: disabled
Cpu spread spectrum: disabled
Pcie spread spectrum: disabled
C1e support: disabled
Hardware prefetcher: enabled
Adjacent cache line prefetch: enabled
Max cpuid value limit: disabled
Intel vitrualization tech: enabled
Cpu tm function: enabled
Execute disable bit capability: enabled
Active processor cores: all
A20m: disabled
Intel speedstep tech: disabled
Intel c-state tech: disabled

Dram Timing Control
1st information: 9-9-9-24-4-78-8-6-16-0

2nd information: 2n-71-73

3rd information: 3-3-13-12-12-12-7-6-4-7-7-4
OK so above I took your template and made some changes which are highlighted in red. Changes I made are for more of a quick and dirty overclock. Idea here is if it works and is stable lower the vcore until it becomes unstable and raise it back up just over the stable point. Then do the same thing with the IMC/VTT. This isn't the best way to overclock but it works and can help someone get started that is having a bit of trouble.

Highlighted in blue are the important DRAM timings in case you didn't know. If it is in auto I'd lock those very timings in so that they aren't bouncing around in auto.

If you could link your exact RAM for us to see that might help also. Going by your sig I'm assuming this is the kit you have ? http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820231308
If so this 177 baseclock might be as far as you could expect to push it.

If the above changes don't at least get you to the testing stage I'd do one of two things. Either lower the baseclock or raise the vcore. Hopefully that won't be needed though.


[edit]
Just saw your last post.
Quote:
Originally Posted by Mdorty;11691567 
So looking at my ram's timing specs, its supposed to be 7-7-7-18, pretty far from what it was auto-set to in the bios...so I went in and set it to factory specs, it booted just fine at 162x22. So I went back into the bios and tried 164x22...and it booted no problems smile.gif Hopefully this was my problem all along. I'll try a higher bclk soon to see what happens.

HA! really lowering the timings is more stressfull. Maybe another setting was changed at the same time ? But yes locking in the stock timings is a good idea. I do usually loosen them up to 9-9-9-24 to start off with though.
Edited by ~sizzzle~ - 12/18/10 at 7:53am
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post #492 of 1922
Quote:
Originally Posted by ~sizzzle~;11691630 
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Intel SpeedStep Tech: Disabled
Xtreme Phase Full Power Mode: enabled
Bclk: 177
Pcie: 100
DRAM freq: 2:6 (1064MHz)
Qpi freq: auto
Cpu volt: 1.35
IMC/VTT volt: 1.3
Dram volt: 1.5
Cpu PLL volt: 1.80
Pch volt: auto
Dram data ref volt on cha: auto
Dram data ref volt on chb: auto
LLC: disabled
Cpu spread spectrum: disabled
Pcie spread spectrum: disabled
C1e support: disabled
Hardware prefetcher: enabled
Adjacent cache line prefetch: enabled
Max cpuid value limit: disabled
Intel vitrualization tech: enabled
Cpu tm function: enabled
Execute disable bit capability: enabled
Active processor cores: all
A20m: disabled
Intel speedstep tech: disabled
Intel c-state tech: disabled

Dram Timing Control
1st information: 9-9-9-24-4-78-8-6-16-0

2nd information: 2n-71-73

3rd information: 3-3-13-12-12-12-7-6-4-7-7-4
OK so above I took your template and made some changes which are highlighted in red. Changes I made are for more of a quick and dirty overclock. Idea here is if it works and is stable lower the vcore until it becomes unstable and raise it back up just over the stable point. Then do the same thing with the IMC/VTT. This isn't the best way to overclock but it works and can help someone get started that is having a bit of trouble.

Highlighted in blue are the important DRAM timings in case you didn't know. If it is in auto I'd lock those very timings in so that they aren't bouncing around in auto.

If you could link your exact RAM for us to see that might help also. Going by your sig I'm assuming this is the kit you have ? http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820231308
If so this 177 baseclock might be as far as you could expect to push it.

If the above changes don't at least get you to the testing stage I'd do one of two things. Either lower the baseclock or raise the vcore. Hopefully that won't be needed though.


[edit]
Just saw your last post.



HA! really lowering the timings is more stressfull. Maybe another setting was changed at the same time ? But yes locking in the stock timings is a good idea. I do usually loosen them up to 9-9-9-24 to start off with though.

Yep, that's my ram. I wasn't planning on doing any oc'ing when I first built my pc...that didn't really last very long, lol.

I did think it was weird that it booted after lowering the timings and everything. I didn't think messing with ram related stuff in the bios would matter very much until I tried to oc the ram.

As to your suggestions, most people seem to like having llc enabled, whats the reasoning behind disabling it? And thanks again for the help.
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I guess I will have to do some more tweaking tonight...
What are you guys setting your VTT & PLL to on average?
I have my VTT at 1.30, but have seen much lower at higher clocks..
My PLL is at auto (1.80V) Not really sure what it should be...

On another note, it would appear that an i5-760 & 4GB DDR3 1600 is a little better than a Q9550 @ 4.25 & 4GB DDR2 1000... See Vantage below..

Q9550 @ 4.25:
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i5-760 @ 3.80:
attachment.php?attachmentid=185482&stc=1&d=1292688718

Makes me very happy I made the switch biggrin.gif:D:D
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Dram Timing Control
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2nd information: 2n-71-73

3rd information: 3-3-13-12-12-12-7-6-4-7-7-4


So can you explain how to manually set the other timings? Even though i know they are set automatically i'd like to eliminate that slight change..
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Mdorty;11691759 
Yep, that's my ram. I wasn't planning on doing any oc'ing when I first built my pc...that didn't really last very long, lol.
LOL It usually goes like that. With my i7 I said at first if I could get it to 3.4 I'd be happy. Wasn't too long before I was testing 4.2 biggrin.gif
Quote:
I did think it was weird that it booted after lowering the timings and everything. I didn't think messing with ram related stuff in the bios would matter very much until I tried to oc the ram.
Yep the RAM plays a large part in overclocking. 3.7 is still a very respectable overclock. If you were to switch out kits to 1600MHz + It would mainly just give you more options for your overclock. Performance wise It would feel a litlle snappier on the desktop and benchmark stronger with a higher frequency but for average use it won't make a ton of difference.
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As to your suggestions, most people seem to like having llc enabled, whats the reasoning behind disabling it? And thanks again for the help.

I'm not really anti LLC, I've used it before and will again. A couple things come into play on rather or not I use it. First is how does LLC work on your board, some are different. With my Asus 1366 board LLC doesn't completely eleminate Vdrop & Vdroop, it just has less. I like that and will use it IF I need it to get stable. I won't use it just to use it though. Now on alot of P55 boards (mine included) LLC enabled you won't have any Vdrop and the voltage will actually raise under load. I don't like that and won't use it. Mostly I believe that it could cause instability during transitions from idle to load/ load to idle. Also I don't give much credents to the voltage spike argument with modern architecture but I do believe harmful voltage spikes are more likely to occur with this sort of LLC if they do indeed still happen in modern CPU's.
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Originally Posted by dembo1305;11691920 
Dram Timing Control
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2nd information: 2n-71-73

3rd information: 3-3-13-12-12-12-7-6-4-7-7-4


So can you explain how to manually set the other timings? Even though i know they are set automatically i'd like to eliminate that slight change..

If you are looking to fine tune all of the timings you should go spend some time in the Intel & AMD memory sections. Memory overclocking can be quite complex and I have just bairly skimmed the surface.

I stick to the main timings and leave all else in auto. Even dropping just the main timings from spec can be a large undertaking to do it correctly.
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If you are looking to fine tune all of the timings you should go spend some time in the Intel & AMD memory sections. Memory overclocking can be quite complex and I have just bairly skimmed the surface.

I stick to the main timings and leave all else in auto. Even dropping just the main timings from spec can be a large undertaking to do it correctly.

I just didn't like only setting those few. So your saying that i shouldn't have any problem in just leaving them on auto?

I'm not currently trying to overclock the RAM, I'm just trying to eliminate that variable, because i'm having quite the time trying to get stable.
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I just didn't like only setting those few. So your saying that i shouldn't have any problem in just leaving them on auto?

I'm not currently trying to overclock the RAM, I'm just trying to eliminate that variable, because i'm having quite the time trying to get stable.

Leaving the rest in auto shouldn't be a problem and is the norm. If you wanted to try it you could lock in the rest to what they are setting to in auto. If I were to try this I'd first set the main timings then restart and run for awhile before going back into bios and locking in the rest. Sort of giving bios a chance to change the others first before locking them in.
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LOL It usually goes like that. With my i7 I said at first if I could get it to 3.4 I'd be happy. Wasn't too long before I was testing 4.2 biggrin.gif


Yep the RAM plays a large part in overclocking. 3.7 is still a very respectable overclock. If you were to switch out kits to 1600MHz + It would mainly just give you more options for your overclock. Performance wise It would feel a litlle snappier on the desktop and benchmark stronger with a higher frequency but for average use it won't make a ton of difference.



I'm not really anti LLC, I've used it before and will again. A couple things come into play on rather or not I use it. First is how does LLC work on your board, some are different. With my Asus 1366 board LLC doesn't completely eleminate Vdrop & Vdroop, it just has less. I like that and will use it IF I need it to get stable. I won't use it just to use it though. Now on alot of P55 boards (mine included) LLC enabled you won't have any Vdrop and the voltage will actually raise under load. I don't like that and won't use it. Mostly I believe that it could cause instability during transitions from idle to load/ load to idle. Also I don't give much credents to the voltage spike argument with modern architecture but I do believe harmful voltage spikes are more likely to occur with this sort of LLC if they do indeed still happen in modern CPU's.

Okay, I see what you're saying, I appreciate the explanations.

I'm currently using your suggested setup, everything booted just fine. I'm running p95 blend test right now. I'm gonna let that go for a couple of hours and have Real Temp open to make sure my max temps don't get too high (max so far is 64, so not too bad, especially with 'high' voltages).

Assuming everything passes, I'll try going a bit higher later. A 10% oc on my ram would only be 1172.6, so I should be able to do a 190 bclk, at least if I understand everything I've read correctly, that would put me at ~1140.
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Leaving the rest in auto shouldn't be a problem and is the norm. If you wanted to try it you could lock in the rest to what they are setting to in auto. If I were to try this I'd first set the main timings then restart and run for awhile before going back into bios and locking in the rest. Sort of giving bios a chance to change the others first before locking them in.

Alrighty that sounds like a good idea, I'll try that.

Do you know anything about CPU differential amplitude or CPU Clock Skew?
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