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First time poster here running into some confusion with upgrading from a 9800GT.

For Xmas last year, my wife got me a Pny XLR8 1024mb 9800GT EE, (btw, ee does not mean extreme edition, its energy efficent). It was a MAJOR jump in performance from what I had before and I was quite taken by how awesome it ran games, compared to my previous card, a Sparkle 512mb 8600GT. Over the past year I have had issues with the card, specifically the fan. One random day it started making a really loud howling noise, i took it apart and discovered the fan blades were scraping off of the plastic, making the howling sound. To remedy this, I took a penny and put it between the heatsink and the plastic fan case, to allow just enough room for the fan to stop toucing the plastic. I also cleaned the heatsinks and applied AS5 upon reassembly. Now after I modified it and got it to ****, temperatures were never the same; they were around 52 at full load before and around 79 at full load after, respectfully. Also since then, even with new drivers, I have noticed a performance decrease as well. Games don't stay as stable for long, a lot of random lag that was not experienced before...etc. I tried to increase the fan speed manually, with little or no noticable difference, either to in game perfomance or temp decrease. I also tried to overclock it a tad (which is really restricted with my EE card) to see if I could achieve the perfomance I had gotten the first time around.....no luck.

My wife has noticed my frustrations with this card and has expressed a want to get me another one for christmas, and I'm not sure which one I should tell her that I want. When the problem I mentioned above first occured, my first thought was to buy a new card, and I was looking at the 200 series cards, specifically the gts 250 and the gtx 260. After some mild googling and random forum reading I determined it wouldn't be worth the $ for the performance since it wouldnt be much higher than the card I have. I believe I read that the gts 250 is just a rebranded 9800gt, so it'd be kinda pointless to pay 100 for the same performance. I also even considered getting a 9800gtx or 9800gtx+ and or x2, but still, it is older technology and better things are available....so those are out.

Fermi arrived this year and I couldn't be more impressed. I have been looking at the GTS 450 and I'm + that it's the one that I want, however I'm not sure how much of a performance gain I'll get from my current card. I say this because my card has a 256bit memory interface, and most GTS cards are 128bit or 192bit, so I should expect some decrease in performance in that respect....right? Also my current card has 112 stream processors, the card I'm looking at has 192.....would 80 more make a big difference? I have seen newer ATI cards with over 400 streaming processors, what differnce does this make? Also in case you are wondering, I haven't been considering ATI cards, primarily because I believe that ATI cards are not compabile with my mobo? I have an XFX 750i mobo.....I really just want to be able to have a decent gaming system, granted the card I have isn't bad, but I can't really play Final Fantasy XIV without lag or w/o my worrying if my gpu temp is too high. Any help, suggestions, comments or advice would be really cool. Thank you for your time!
    
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Wow long post.

*Just a note people love to help here but some times long post are a bit of a turn off.

Is there any warranty on the video card? If there is you might be able to turn it in for a new one.

Second if you are considering to get a new card you should look at the GTX 460. It is one of the best performance / Dollar cards.

At $200 dollars it cost (twice?) the amount of the 9800gt but performances nearly 2.5X faster.

(Just as a note i wish my GF would gift like your wife..)

I upgraded from the 8800GTX (128 cores (The 9800GTX was a rebrand)) to the GTX 260. Yes it is a very nice boost in speed.

*Last you should avoid energy efficient video cards. They often perform slower then the regular versions and tend to be more fragile (As you learned) They also dont Overclock as well if you ever plan on doing so.

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I tend to be very specific and I normally don't post for that reason
I usually google for things like this, but like i pointed out in my post I am confused by many different factors here, thus why I explained the things I have in my post.
Also, I was looking at the GTX 460 as well, but I think 200$ or anything around that price point is a tad much to ask for a xmas present...I probably could have went the warranty route but my motherboard does not have integrated graphics and I had given away my previous graphics card, so I would have been without a computer for a while, and I have online classes......so yeah no option. Plus the fan is crap anyways, read reviews about this card and others were having the same issue, even after RMA and sending back to PNY.
    
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Is an after-market cooler an option for you? I won't go into recommendations.

I too would recommend that you look at the GTX460 (have you looked at the 768mb version???) or is particularly restricted budget wise: 5770 1gb are in that kind of price range. They do have a 128bit bus, but perform very well and don't seem to suffer too much because of it.

You should list the resolution that you game at... It does help.
    
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I usually run every game I play in 1920x1080, except for Final Fantasy XIV which I run @ 1280x720 with this card.
    
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Edited by ironman86 - 3/21/12 at 11:02am
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Do you have any friends with spare graphics cards? It would make a lot more sense to borrow a card or buy a cheap $20 one just to get you through your classes while you RMA. Makes more sense to me to do this since it's cheaper, and as you say, your current card works well enough for you.
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I've ordered a couple of days a go a GTX460 (MSi Cyclone 1GB version) to upgrade my 9800gt. If you search a bit, you should be able to find it for the right price... Here in europe its usually priced between 140 and 160€, depending upon brands and cooling; probably in the us will be around the same if even lesser... Playing at 1920x1080 you might find it a good upgrade. What are your CPU and your power supply?
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Go for a 460 1gb I upgraded from 8800gt to 460 and its like night and day
    
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Currently I am running an E7400, oc'd to 3.2 with a fsb of 1600.
and I'm not sure which brand, but I have a 550Watt PSU. I know this cpu may prove to be a bottleneck with a future gpu upgrade, but I plan on migrating over to the 1156 socket next year. Does anyone have any personal experience with a gts 450? I hear so many great things about the 460, however for a slightly lower price, and dx11 support, is a gts 450 any good, or would it be a noticable upgrade from my current gpu?

I have considered an aftermarket fan, but the good ones run around 40-60 dollars and some require some modifications to the card, that I am just not comfortable making. Also they run around 1/2 the price of a gts 450, and on top of that most of the 400 series come with great cooling fans as well....

I could have gone the rma route like previously stated, however the fan is crap and i would have run into the fan issue again eventually......So i could have, but would it be worth it? I dont really think it would be....

Also, I am still quite stumped on the whole memory interface issue. Will I get lower memory bandwith If I go down from 256bit to 192 or even 128? Does this really even matter?
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