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I too have a question Martin. How would I go about testing the voltage being applied to my fans through the Sunbeam Rhoebus Extreme, using a multimeter?
Sure.

Just need the meter set to DCV 20 (0-20Volts DC mode), and touch the red positive on the meter to the red wire on the fan plug, and the black ground to the black wire. Leave the yellow sensor wire alone..
    
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While that makes sense; I don't necessarily to know how much that actually changes or effects things.

To be honest, I've been trying to wrack my head around a way to measure vibrations caused by a fan in a scientific fashion.

And I simply cannot figure out a way to do it.
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Sure.

Just need the meter set to DCV 20 (0-20Volts DC mode), and touch the red positive on the meter to the red wire on the fan plug, and the black ground to the black wire. Leave the yellow sensor wire alone..
Excellent, easy enough. Somehow I tend to over-complicate these things in my head . That's as easy testing the PSU with a multimeter.

Thanks ~ R00ST3R.
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While that makes sense; I don't necessarily to know how much that actually changes or effects things.

To be honest, I've been trying to wrack my head around a way to measure vibrations caused by a fan in a scientific fashion.

And I simply cannot figure out a way to do it.
I can't either. Noise level is pretty easy, but how do you scientifically quantify "sound or vibration annoyance"...I haven't a clue.

Best thing I could think of was the audio recording and it's very subjective.

Maybe measure the variability in noise volume at very small increments in time?? I "Think" a noise that is relatively constant AND of a broad spectrum in frequency is less annoying than one that is the opposite.

Vibration would be similar I suppose.

The best I could think of doing practically is creating an evaluation criteria for noise quality. You could probably create some sort of scoring criteria, but again it would have to be human rated.

I've done piles of reading on noise in the past couple of months. There is quite a bit of documentation on noise levels, but very little that goes beyond evaluating "loudness" based on constant pitch. The Flecher Munson curves ect...were all based on sending a constant tone to subjects and coming up with curves to match frequency...but again it's constant frequency...not very complex like a fluctuating noise level.

As far as I know, nobody has really spent much time trying to figure out a way to evaluate the effects of perceived loudness of noise fluctuations compared to a constant noise at the same sound level. My own opinion is that it's fairly important, but don't know how you would quantify that.

Let me know if you have some ideas...I'm all "EARS!"...
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I can't either. Noise level is pretty easy, but how do you scientifically quantify "sound or vibration annoyance"...I haven't a clue.

Best thing I could think of was the audio recording and it's very subjective.

Maybe measure the variability in noise volume at very small increments in time?? I "Think" a noise that is relatively constant AND of a broad spectrum in frequency is less annoying than one that is the opposite.

Vibration would be similar I suppose.

The best I could think of doing practically is creating an evaluation criteria for noise quality. You could probably create some sort of scoring criteria, but again it would have to be human rated.

I've done piles of reading on noise in the past couple of months. There is quite a bit of documentation on noise levels, but very little that goes beyond evaluating "loudness" based on constant pitch. The Flecher Munson curves ect...were all based on sending a constant tone to subjects and coming up with curves to match frequency...but again it's constant frequency...not very complex like a fluctuating noise level.

As far as I know, nobody has really spent much time trying to figure out a way to effect of noise fluctuations compared to constant noise.

Let me know if you have some ideas...I'm all "EARS!"...
I've thought of a few ways regarding vibration with the use of a fan, a case, water, and a video camera

What I though I would do, is attach some form of a water holder to the top of a case and have a camera record it, and you use the fan connected to the case and evaluate how much the water resonates.

It's obviously not a perfect idea yet, but I've been toying around with it in a way to make it work.

The only problem I'm running into right now is a way to eliminate all variables besides the fan and keep it cheap.

I know you of a way to do it using specialized equipment, but a Fluke 810 Tester costs around $8000 last I checked... and that's just 1/4th the equipment.
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good but simple balance vibration test leave fan just standing on a table and turn on.. See how far it moves, tips over, or stays in place.

Love the thread alota good info here about fans.
     
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good but simple balance vibration test leave fan just standing on a table and turn on.. See how far it moves, tips over, or stays in place.

Love the thread alota good info here about fans.
Some of the Odd Shape fans (like TY-140's, Kaze Maru 2's, or P14's) won't work for that test.
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Great results ! Can see you're now starting to work on 38mm thickness fans, how many 4 wires PWM fans do you have there now ?

Martin, what is your plan on pwm fans testing ?

Really curious to watch the results at PWM fan's noise profiles on using pwm controller vs undervoltage method.
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Great results ! Can see you're now starting to work on 38mm thickness fans, how many 4 wires PWM fans do you have there now ?

Martin, what is your plan on pwm fans testing ?

Really curious to watch the results at PWM fan's noise profiles on using pwm controller vs undervoltage method.
Unfortunately, I have no 4pin 38mm fans...sorry. I really only have about 3 maybe 4 25mm thickness fans in 4 pin PWM

That's ok by me though, this 120mm fan testing is getting pretty boring by now. They all pretty well perform the same (+-3 dbA which is the minimum to perceive a noise level change) with the exception of the GTs...and a couple of bad fans that could have just been a bad sample as far as I know.
    
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Now things are getting a bit weird. How is the old one beating the new one? More importantly, how is its CFM topping the U1 and UK3K?
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