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In a further effort to separate Ubuntu from the rest of the Linux community, Shuttleworth is thinking of dropping X11 for Wayland

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SNIP...Shuttleworth contends that X11 isn't conducive to creating the kind of user experience that Canonical hopes to deliver in Ubuntu. His blog entry also points out that some of the classic strengths of X11 are already being compromised by decisions that are being made for the sake of user experience improvements....
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http://arstechnica.com/open-source/n...m_campaign=rss

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Originally Posted by Mark Shuttleworth
The next major transition for Unity will be to deliver it on Wayland, the OpenGL-based display management system. We’d like to embrace Wayland early, as much of the work we’re doing on uTouch and other input systems will be relevant for Wayland and it’s an area we can make a useful contribution to the project.
http://www.markshuttleworth.com/archives/551
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I kinda see their point - the basic X server is long removed in terms of a modern desktop environment (it's under the bonnet, but grossly enhanced). But I think they'd struggle to rewrite it all, it would be a lot of investment for minimal gain.

I don't think Ubuntu will ever ditch the Linux kernel and develop their own fork (a la DragonflyBSD), it would cost them too much to keep developing it. Therefore, I think Ubuntu will always remain compatible. The issue will probably end where the only common dependency between Ubuntu and the other Linux distros is the kernel itself (although Ubuntu will probably have lost most of their user/fanbase long before that happens)
 
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X was never built for a desktop PC, so dropping it might rid Ubuntu of the quirks caused by 20-year-old design decisions. I'm interested to see how a low-level change like this pans out, far more so than I am with Unity (which is just a DE).
    
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is it me, or are they saying it (X), is losing its strengths in order to have a better UI?

and is it me, or are they going further and further from most distros by doing their own thing quite often? (unity, notifications, this, the Me Menu/Gwibber)
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You guys make it look like Canonical is up to its shenanigans again, as if Wayland was something Canonical cooked up. Wayland has been around since 2008 and is an evolution of sorts of your standard display server. No one has been looking at it because it's rather new and untested, but with a big player like Canonical giving it a push, other distro maintainers are more likely to implement Wayland on their own.

Now, as for if I think Wayland is the new **** and what not. I have been reading on Wayland, with all it's pros and cons. In utterly simplistic terms, Wayland appears as a sort of accelerated X, using all the new features available in modern GPU's and display drivers. That alone posses a big problem for people that like the "old ways": no more being able to switch to a xterm window or drop back to our lovely command prompt. The entire debate is very interesting and I recommend you guys read up on it a bit.
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Not being able to drop to a CLI is quite a problem really. It's handy to know that if your DE goes down you can get it up and running again fairly easily.
    
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Fun times ahead . Don't really know what AMD's position is as far as fglrx goes (radeon driver already sort of works with a patched Wayland).
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Originally Posted by Melcar View Post
Fun times ahead . Don't really know what AMD's position is as far as fglrx goes (radeon driver already sort of works with a patched Wayland).
Holy crap.

Although the "plans" would probably change if Wayland caught on amongst other distros, and not just Ubuntu.
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post #9 of 16
Hmmmmm... if ubuntu drops X, then I will have to reconsider another distro.
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Not being able to drop to a CLI is quite a problem really. It's handy to know that if your DE goes down you can get it up and running again fairly easily.
The CLI is what seperates linux from other (cough-cough) operating systems like, winblows or OS-bleah (OS X)
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