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Yeah, I believe FCG more then the manufacturers, due to the fact that he probably has more money then most of them.
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Originally Posted by pauldovi
I tend to believe what Intel and motherboard makers say. And they have not said anything about a voltage regulator issue. It is illogical.
Yeah well thats where you and I differ, I believe what I see, and I have no dought in anything FCG say's. He has all the equupment and has spent alot of time on it, so chances are he knows more about it then the average news reader.
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Originally Posted by Adeoliver
Yeah well thats where you and I differ, I believe what I see, and I have no dought in anything FCG say's. He has all the equupment and has spent alot of time on it, so chances are he knows more about it then the average news reader.
Well, either one of us could be right or wrong. We will never know until the hard release of Conroe. So lets let it rest.

BTW- The 920ES in your sig, how did you get the RAM down to 3-2-2-5? It is only PC-4300! What is the brand?
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The VRM falls into the NDA and I seriously doubt any company will disclose that they are releasing hardware that falls under Intel NDA's.

This does not mean that they are not already releasing such, just that they will not qualify such releases with affirmation when under Intel NDA's.

That being said, we live in a Capitalist society where companies would rather have you pay for their R & D in new purchases so it is entirely feasible that motherboard companies would not implement new procedures/hardware or would seek to disable the implementation and in this way get a heads up on other companies.

It's a vicious game Capitalism.

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Originally Posted by Ropey
The VRM falls into the NDA and I seriously doubt any company will disclose that they are releasing hardware that falls under Intel NDA's.

This does not mean that they are not already releasing such, just that they will not qualify such releases with affirmation when under Intel NDA's.

That being said, we live in a Capitalist society where companies would rather have you pay for their R & D in new purchases so it is entirely feasible that motherboard companies would not implement new procedures/hardware or would seek to disable the implementation and in this way get a heads up on other companies.

It's a vicious game Capitalism.

R
Thank you!!! With this kinda info released the companies current production items could come to a screaching hault, so do you think they will disclose that much info? I think not, plus like Ropey said, they want the upper hand and wont share secrets.
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Adeoliver
Thank you!!! With this kinda info released the companies current production items could come to a screaching hault, so do you think they will disclose that much info? I think not, plus like Ropey said, they want the upper hand and wont share secrets.
I doubt any sales are going to come to a screaching halt. Companies would love to get ahead like Ropey said, by making their 975X boards Conroe compatable. ASUS is known for doing things that Intel says won't work...
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Originally Posted by pauldovi
I doubt any sales are going to come to a screaching halt. Companies would love to get ahead like Ropey said, by making their 975X boards Conroe compatable. ASUS is known for doing things that Intel says won't work...
However, as I said, these companies could make their boards Conroe compatible and then disable the compatibility so as to further new sales. This would mean that the older product whilst created with Conroe in mind would never see applicative changes that bring Conroe forward on those platforms.

This is certainly something to consider and is a reason why I am still waiting on the platform.

If you look at the i965 white paper you will see that the implementation is basically the i975 and this leads me to believe that i975 in its current iteration will NOT see Conroe implementation. This last paragraph is speculative though and not factual.

If I was a betting man Paul? I would bet that your i975 will never see Conroe working fully, and that to have Conroe you will have to purchase a new mainboard. This is another speculation of mine though and I could well be in error.

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Originally Posted by Ropey
However, as I said, these companies could make their boards Conroe compatible and then disable the compatibility so as to further new sales. This would mean that the older product whilst created with Conroe in mind would never see applicative changes that bring Conroe forward on those platforms.

This is certainly something to consider and is a reason why I am still waiting on the platform.

If you look at the i965 white paper you will see that the implementation is basically the i975 and this leads me to believe that i975 in its current iteration will NOT see Conroe implementation. This last paragraph is speculative though and not factual.

If I was a betting man Paul? I would bet that your i975 will never see Conroe working fully, and that to have Conroe you will have to purchase a new mainboard. This is another speculation of mine though and I could well be in error.

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But what if a company decided to get ahead of the game, and make their current 975X support Conroe to win over customers?
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But what if a company decided to get ahead of the game, and make their current 975X support Conroe to win over customers?
LOL

Come on Paul. You are far to intelligent to really extend such a view in reality. With what you know about Capitalism? Re-read what you just wrote. It is possible as with "IF" anything is possible. Remember my mother and nuts? However, it is very unlikely in my opinion. I told you this long ago and you still hold out hope. Hope is good, but it is not good to translate that hope to expectations as very likely you will be disappointed. This is just my opinion and not fact though. It is my opinion that ASUS will do things to create more sales, not to "Win Over Customers". A faster board than anyone else's by bypassing some Intel speed governing, well yes I can see that. But not spending money to create the new VRM and then enabling it so that a future processor can be used while other companies are selling new boards. No, it just does not fly with what I know about sales procedures. Doubly so with a company as large as ASUS.

It could be and I hope so for your sake. We had this talk about the board a few months ago and I said the same as above to you and you said you had faith your board would make the transition. I said I would wait and see. Well, we are getting closer to the final conclusion of this event buddy.

Do you remember your response to me? I do. You said, "I am young, can't wait" and "I will just sell this board and buy another if I have to do so".

I am closer now to the view that you will "Have to do so", than I was back then and I was fairly sure then.

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Originally Posted by Ropey
LOL

Come on Paul. You are far to intelligent to really extend such a view in reality. With what you know about Capitalism? Re-read what you just wrote. It is possible as with "IF" anything is possible. Remember my mother and nuts? However, it is very unlikely in my opinion. I told you this long ago and you still hold out hope. Hope is good, but it is not good to translate that hope to expectations as very likely you will be disappointed. This is just my opinion and not fact though. It is my opinion that ASUS will do things to create more sales, not to "Win Over Customers". A faster board than anyone else's by bypassing some Intel speed governing, well yes I can see that. But not spending money to create the new VRM and then enabling it so that a future processor can be used while other companies are selling new boards. No, it just does not fly with what I know about sales procedures. Doubly so with a company as large as ASUS.

It could be and I hope so for your sake. We had this talk about the board a few months ago and I said the same as above to you and you said you had faith your board would make the transition. I said I would wait and see. Well, we are getting closer to the final conclusion of this event buddy.

Do you remember your response to me? I do. You said, "I am young, can't wait" and "I will just sell this board and buy another if I have to do so".

I am closer now to the view that you will "Have to do so", than I was back then and I was fairly sure then.

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