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4-way SLI is the equivalent of 3 cards + 20% more. Terrible, if you think about what you are paying for.

In many cases, 4-way SLI has actually been shown to DECREASE performance vs. 3-way SLI.

Once again, wait for the GTX 580, don't 4-way SLI.
I believe in one of Trubyd's benchmark videos he got slightly better performance out of 3 way sli + physx in physx intensive games, such as cryostasis and metro, I think.

Also @ the OP, stay away from Creative S/c, they're not all that great compared to many of the other sound cards on the market.
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ok, I edited out my "not utilize statment"

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There's plenty of applications that can make full use of it, some of which are used for some of the activities the op listed his son will be doing. Do some research before making blatantly incorrect sweeping statements.
4 way 480 SLI + F@H = sweet combo
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4 way 480 SLI + F@H = sweet combo
It would be a killer f@h rig, for gaming I agree with others saying 3-way with physX if you really need it.
    
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wow...


Anyway back on topic, if it is going to be a workstation, I really don't know if it will last four years. For gaming it definitely will not be obsolete though.
Yeah, I suppose trying to look that far ahead is rather pointless anyway. What was it that the Mayan calendar says?

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nice father you are?
Great kid.

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So dad, what are you getting me for my birthday?
Sorry, I already have five kids and the last two are in college now.

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You may want to avoid that case, though. I'm not even sure if it can hold the motherboard, or the two power supplies.
The old tower that I want to try and use is 2' tall, almost that deep and looks like it should swallow the board. The PSU's I won't be able to judge till I have everything right in front of me.

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If you really want to be a hilarious, cruel, then amazing dad:
Get a really old, beige tower case. Mod it to fit the SR-2 and everything inside.
This is a "really old tower", white not beige, but probably pushing 10 yrs. old, and it is a monster. It's steel and not aluminum or plastic, and has been used for several different builds.

You hit on part of the surprise. Since my son is used to seeing this case with water lines running out of it and a chiller nearby I'm sure he won't get too excited by anything he sees. He's a software guy and hasn't ever been too interested in what's inside as long as it let him do what he wanted without locking up or crashing. From the outside it will look like just another re-hash of one of my old P4 builds so his first impressions and expectations should be pretty low...until he turns it on and the transformer out on the pole begins to glow red.

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Then, for his birthday, present him with the computer, along with a 13" CRT monitor.
He's already got a phalanx of LCD's so that won't work but that's definitely in keeping with the spirit of why the old case was being reused.

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When he looks all sad that you got him a PoS, you have him load up CPU-Z, then you take off the side of the case and WHAM!
The first time I proudly showed him my over-clocked P4 build with H2O and RAID striping his eyes practically glazed with indifference, again...until he turned it on, but the thrill is gone with that dinosaur so on we march.

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... then you get a real case.
This is a real case. It's like a Tiger II tank next to one of the new aluminium and plastic fantastic Shermans. I had actually thought about putting a remote turret with a scaled German WWII 88mm gun on top and tracks to replace the wheels, a kind of Ode to Kursk meets Steam Punk, and then paint it up and add some appropriate heavy machine guns, sand bags, spare tracks, etc.

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Trust me, this system is going to last him for YEARS. If it doesn't last 5+ years, I'll be amazed and personally "pay" for a "new" system "for" him"." Aren't quotat"ion" marks fun?
Yeah, hope I finally figured out how to properly quote responses in my reply.

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Honestly, I'd love that system if I was your son, but if you plan on spending that kind of money on a system right now, why not wait for the 580s?
I actually thought that they were just part of an internet hoax to be honest. Besides that I understand that this build doesn't really support Quad SLI in a way that you can use a pair of dual GPU cards (which I presume is what the 580 would be). Something about the motherboard being laid out to accomplish 4 way SLI and only doing it through the use of four bridged single GPU cards. I wouldn't be surprised to find out that I'm wrong but that's also part of why I'm here.

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Four way SLI? You sure about that?
What's not to love (assuming of course that I never look at my electric bill again). Besides...all of that excess heat energy will come in handy this winter. I should save a fortune on my oil bill. Come summer we may have to look into a geothermal loop and a windmill, but that's still about five months away.

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Oh, and dont forget a physx card!
This is pretty similar
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ARhJrOKNlv0
Yeah it's extremely similar 'cuz that's where I got most of the ideas for this.

A PhysX card? Are you serious? That's like another sixty or seventy bucks isn't it? Jeez-o-peez-louise...I'm on a budget here. You tryin' to break me?

Actually I didn't understand how it functioned and how the motherboard would know to off-load physics info specifically to that card. If they work great. The build that you cited also had one but when he bench marked the rig he still hadn't figured out how to make it work properly so I still need to look into that some more.

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Ummm... wow............................................... ............
I wonder what your son did to deserve that. Anyway, thats like the best rig you can currently have. I would though wait for the gtx 580s.
I got hurt really bad at work just before he was starting college and he decided to stay at home just in case and help us save some of the substantial tuition that Carnegie Mellon was going to run. Even this is a far cry from what he gave up, and like I said...he's a great kid.

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Wow. That will last at least 3-5 years. Probably even longer. look how long the socket 775 is lasting.
Fingers crossed. I went through this a few times before where I paid blood for Intel Extreme P4's, or whatever the new hot lick was, and ended up keeping and using the machines well past their prime, but it's nice having something that's really special to start with and the temptation to run out and constantly upgrade is pretty well quashed. The other thing is that even as the MB and CPU's / graphics get long in tooth many of the other supporting components still remain very serviceable. My old Raptor drives aren't up to SSD spec, but in a RAID array they still more than hold their own for most tasks.

I've never had a good experience buying cheap or just good enough. When I buy tools I stick with nothing but Festool instead of DeWalt or Porter Cable, and I've never been sorry. Especially when my stuff is still working great years later and my friends and co-workers are buying their second or third replacements. There's also something to be said for the satisfaction one gets from working with a quality tool everyday. My son isn't into the more manually oriented labors and hobbies that I am, but this is a tool of sorts for what he is interested in both as a vocation and an avocation. The idea of spending what amounts to enough to purchase a nice used car on a computer does occasionally strike me as nuts, until I put it into that context.

I recently spent well over a thousand dollars to buy a Festool hand held belt sander from a supplier in the UK simply because it was the best that I could find and they weren't selling them here in the States yet. Wrong voltage to be converted, big shipping hassle, etc., but ultimately worth every penny, and that's for a tool that essentially just does a great job of turning perfectly good lumber into saw dust. At least I can fire up Starcraft II or CoH on his system while he's at school. Can't do that with my fancy sander.
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Definitely wait for the 580s, even though you will be using watercooling they will still be faster per gpu and may have better sli and since 4 way sli scales what 5%? the extra 20% per gpu will give you a bit more power even if you only use 3. Also consider finding a good sata 3 ssd if the SR-2 supports as this may be the only system that justifies it.
Don't know squat about the 580 rumors, what do ya hear? 1st I thought dual GPU and then I remembered that not all of the chips cores were enabled on the 480...but that also meant that more cores eat even more power. If that's the case then with a handful of 580's I'm going to have to build my own reactor or see about leasing a small sun.

I think the scaling in 4 way is actually much better than that. The trick seems to be that the MB must have two NF200 chips on it or the cards default to essentially the speed of just two cards.

I was likin' the speeds on the OCZ but I hadn't looked at those that you mentioned. Yes the MB supports SATA III (and the Colossus is SATA II). The only SATA III SSD I found on Newegg was a Crucial/Micron. Are they good or keep looking?

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There's plenty of applications that can make full use of it, some of which are used for some of the activities the op listed his son will be doing. Do some research before making blatantly incorrect sweeping statements.
Software that we/he do/does run: Corel Draw, Adobe Creative Suite 5, Rhino & MasterCAM. I know he has a bunch of programming software (C++, Java Script, Visual Basic, etc.) but I'm not sure what else he may be working with. He also has a video editing program but I don't know which one.

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Ohh I love SR-2 builds

This rig will be very relevant for a long time lol. 2x x5680 doesn't mess around haha.

I would say get a 120gb SSD though, or go for a Revo X2. The 120gb SSDs are much cheaper compared to 256gb versions, and are more than enough for a boot drive. Get the Revo if you just want ridiculous speeds.
I called OCZ Tech Support and they recommended their Vertex II Pro or DX, but the only ones I found for sale were listed as being SATA II even though their Techie said that they were SATA III.

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Other than that, I'd say you're looking good. Possibly switch the power supplies to Corsair or Enermax, I'm not entirely sure on how good Mushkin PSUs are.
Used to use PC Power & Cooling PSU's exclusively 'cuz they were the best at staying close to the spec that they claimed. The Mushkin Joule claims to be that good , and the Trudy build used them, but I haven't finished checking test results yet. I'll be sure to look at the Corsair and Enermax as well, thanks.

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And if you haven't bought all the parts yet, definitely wait till black friday. Take a look at GTX 580 and see how the reviews go, possibly go with 3 of those instead of quad GTX 480s.
Black Friday's a winner, especially since I'll have more money by then, but has anyone seen a 580 to test? Does anyone even know what it will be? Push comes to shove I may end up just installing a Galaxy GeForce GT240 as the Lone Ranger till the 580 is available and then switching that to PhysX duty later when the new card issue gets sorted out.

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Let me know if you've got more specific questions on parts to use and stuff. I seriously looked into putting together one of my own before life happened and I got a new apartment instead haha.
Yeah, everything above.
Sucks the way life refuses to respond to the will of our well made plans. That's why I laugh hysterically anytime I hear someone talk about "planning" a family. Poor stupid mortals... They probably think that there's a difference between which bunch of crooks get elected...but I digress.

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4-way SLI is the equivalent of 3 cards + 20% more. Terrible, if you think about what you are paying for.

In many cases, 4-way SLI has actually been shown to DECREASE performance vs. 3-way SLI.

Once again, wait for the GTX 580, don't 4-way SLI.
Whatever the differences in reference testing, 20% would still be 20%, and that's before overclocking. If I can squeeze another 20+% on water then I'm just about at 4 x 100% of a single card output...and dat ain't too shabby crabby (said like Billy Madison).

If I thought about what I was paying for I would doubtless say screw it and spend it on hookers. Just kiddin'...I'd hook my son up too...

Not picking nits but would you have a link to any of the tests that gave you that impression. Not doubting what you say I'd just like to read more about it.

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I believe in one of Trubyd's benchmark videos he got slightly better performance out of 3 way sli + physx in physx intensive games, such as cryostasis and metro, I think.

Also @ the OP, stay away from Creative S/c, they're not all that great compared to many of the other sound cards on the market.
Again, I couldn't find a test that he ran with the dedicated PhysX enabled as yet. Got a link?

As for gaming, I'm sure the playing of games is important to number one son but the only things I've seen him play on his PC are the Blizzard gang, CoH, Dragon Age, Oblivion, and Age of Conan. None of them are exactly daily afflictions, more like occasional distractions. Of course that might also be a function of the appallingly slow desktop that's available to him.

Not married to Creative, it's just what I was familiar with in the past. I do want to take the sound processing off of the CPU though. For gaming and junk he has an old 4.1 Klipsch speaker system that'll empty the house (very efficient speakers even though they're old, and the Sub will crack plaster) so it needn't be elaborate from that perspective I suppose.

Thanks again to all for their ideas and suggestions.
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Wait for AMD HD69XX Get 2 6970's/6990's and a GTX 580 for PhysX
    
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Don't get AMD/ATI cards for any rendering types of work unless you are sure his programs support Stream. 4 480s would be great. No games will need more than 2 and any programs that use GPUs will be crying with joy. I love rendering on my dual 480s and can only imagine what 4 would be like.
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Plenty of people giving you advice on the graphics. I would point out that you would get better performance if you doubled up on the SSDs in a RAID 0 configuration (you could do it with two 120s). Add a couple of Caviar Black 1TBs mirrored for storage. Works for me, my 980X is less than 30 seconds from power on to desktop!
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30s to desktop? Lol. Thats pretty long. I take less than that without an SSD.
    
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