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As we all have learned at this point the GTX580 has both hardware and software (driver) influenced power monitoring features. As it detects high current usage, it will purpose cut the clocks by 50% to decrease consumption. This is not an issue for gamers but this has been an absolute headache for reviewers as most still could not unlock the full power of the card with applications like Furmark and OCCT.


Well now we have the truth:

I have just discovered a review from Fudzilla (surprise surprise) that uncovers the true maximum temperatures and peak power consumption of the GTX580 with use of an older version of Furmark.

See here:

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Nvidia uses a new technology dubbed Advanced Power Management on the GTX 580. It is used for monitoring power consumption and performing power capping in order to protect the card from excessive power draw.

Dedicated hardware circuity on the GTX 580 graphics card performs real time monitoring of current and voltage. The graphics driver monitors the power levels and will dynamically adjust performance in certain stress appllications such as FurMark and OCCT if power levels axceed the cards spec.

Power monitoring adjust performance only if power specs are exceeded and if the application is one of the apps Nvidia has defined in their driver to monitor such as FurMark and OCCT. This should not significantly affect gaming performance, and Nvidia indeed claims that no game so far has managed to wake this mechanism from its slumber. For now, it is not possible to turn off power capping.

GTX 580’s power caps are set close to PCI Express spec for each 12V rail (6-pin, 8-pin, and PCI Express). Once power-capping goes active, chip clocks go down by 50%. It seems that this is the reason why GTX 580 scores pretty bad compared to GTX 480 in FurMark.

The Test

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FurMark temperatures didn’t go over 76 °C, which isn’t very realistic – in gaming tests we measured up to 85°C, which seems to suggest that Nvidia overdid the preventive measures.



GPUZ 0.4.7 doesn’t show downclocking during FurMark, but the new version is set to change that. Below you see the GPU temperature graph we captured during Aliens vs. Predator tests.



After overclocking, temperatures were at the same level as before. The fan was a bit louder, but still not too loud.

The Truth Unlocked (GTX580 is Unleashed)

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The older FurMark, version 1.6, shows that GPU can hit 90°C.



Consumption is on par with the GTX 480. You’ll find older FurMark test results below, because in new FurMark tests our rig didn’t consume more than 367W. During gaming we measured rig consumption of about 450W.

Not as bad as we thought. Although the consumption logically makes sense that is slightly higher (more cores, higher clocks), it's not even close to what the GF100 512SP test sample was. And heatwise, is definitely an improvement over the GTX480 either way, especially the cooler runs quieter and doesn't need as much fan speed to get to that temperature.

I hope this information is useful to you guys. In case you guys want to experiment with your own, I have provided links to both the older Furmark 1.6.0 as well as the latest 1.8.2 at the bottom. Enjoy.


Furmark 1.6.0 Download
Furmark 1.8.2 Download

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The Anti-Furmark Discovery (More Info)
Edited by Open1Your1Eyes0 - 11/12/10 at 10:11pm
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Seems odd to me, why would they purposely bunk a high-end card? The results suffered badly.
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Maybe this is an attempt to eliminate Furmark? I doubt AMD will follow suit.

Huge difference in temps reported!
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Seems odd to me, why would they purposely bunk a high-end card? The results suffered badly.
Because nobody cares about the Furmark BENCH scores, they aren't looked at by anyone. Reviewers DO however use Furmark for comparatively benching Temps and Power Consumption. And everyone knows that the older Fermi's run real hot, and suck the juice, and that (some) people don't like 'em for this reason.

Like I've said before, NV is basically cheating on Furmark so that this card looks like it's running much cooler and using less power in the review charts vs the 4xx series (and looks better vs. the competition).

Sure, they may have their 'plausible reasons' apart from that, but I don't really buy it. I think this technology is about marketing, pure and simple. Not that ATI wouldn't/hasn't done the same kinda thing themselves

In fact, these cards can suck up more power than 480's, which means they're generating more heat. They have to be. Now, there are some efficiency improvements, as they don't suck up as much juice as a 512SP 480 would, but they're not nearly as impressive as they appear to be when their 'furmark cheating mechanism' is allowed to operate.
    
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In fact, these cards can suck up more power than 480's, which means they're generating more heat. They have to be.
I did not realise that until this thread. I just assumed they were throttling furmark to look better compared to the 6970. I didn't realize they were really 'sucking up the power' 480 style. Hence the effectiveness of the Furmark throttling camoflage.
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I did not realise that until this thread. I just assumed they were throttling furmark to look better compared to the 6970. I didn't realize they were really 'sucking up the power' 480 style. Hence the effectiveness of the Furmark throttling camoflage.
Yeah. Well considering that it's drawing the same as the 480 despite 10% higher clocks and 6% more shaders is still reasonably impressive. They DID make efficiency improvements, just not as much as it looked at first. Which is entirely what I suspected. You don't make bigger improvements to efficiency than this without much more significant changes to the chip i.e. a major redesign.

The lower temps are for the most part due to a better heatsink design IMHO. It'll be interesting to see the results when someone slaps the 580 cooler on a 480
    
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Yet another fail by nvidia. Why am I not surprised?
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Doesn't matter.

If you care about (Real World) power draw and heat generation for testing stable clocks, run crysis, metro, vantage, 3dmark11 when it comes out, etc.

Furmark is as unrealistic for testing "Real" load conditions on a GPU as Linpack is for the CPU.
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The lower temps are for the most part due to a better heatsink design IMHO. It'll be interesting to see the results when someone slaps the 580 cooler on a 480
Or vice versa??

also some of the 480s didn't get this hot

My 480 with stock cooling and the FAN on auto...

Only ever reached a max temp of 82Deg C

Yes it jumped up alot when i went to OC...
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Originally Posted by Trigunflame View Post
Doesn't matter.

If you care about (Real World) power draw and heat generation for testing stable clocks, run crysis, metro, vantage, 3dmark11 when it comes out, etc.

Furmark is as unrealistic for testing "Real" load conditions on a GPU as Linpack is for the CPU.
There's no way that is a defensive fanboy response.

No way.

Come on, if I was an nvidia fan I would be disappointed in them for doing this.

Nvidia, you are a schmuck.
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