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post #51 of 80
This may be off topic, but I just want to know - doesn't the improved gaming performance mean anything to anyone?

Who cares about furmark? ATI & NVIDIA clearly do not.

I find the ATI fanboys like to point out how "power hungry" Fermi cards are, yet, they completely overlook how much better the cards perform ( Not to mention PHYSX & CUDA on top of just gaming performance ) an extra $10 - $20 electric bill a year is not going to hurt my pocket IMO.

Plus, has anyone heard of Water cooling? If you're going to spend $500 on a card, I'm sure you can afford water cooling to keep it under much improved temps. ( That's just me though, as it's a worthwhile investment )

Compare the 580 vs the 5870 & 5970 in gaming performance, and that speaks volumes. The 580 keeps up and sometimes outperforms the 5970.

Plus, if you're not planning on going SLI with a 580, you'd be better off with 2 GTX 460's in SLI, as they outperform the 580, 5970, 5870, 6870 CFX etc for ONLY $430! You won't have the "power" issues either.

The Hawk Talon overclocks like a champ too!
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...-534-_-Product

http://benchmarkreviews.com/index.ph...=614&Itemid=72

Keep in mind that PHYSX was DISABLED in some of these benchmarks too!












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The fanboyism is running rampid every where. People have lost site of the fact AMD and Nvidia are a buisness that sells performance. So you as a customer has to ignore the hoopla that surrounds them and look at price/performance . AMD & Nvidia would both cheat you out of your wallet any chance they can. These guys are not your friend they dont need anyone to defend them or cheer them on.
post #53 of 80
Maybe I'm retarded...

Or maybe I'm missing something here...


But if people are using OCCT or FURMARK for power draws benchmarking and it's throttling down due to a limiter on the voltage but does not throttle down even overclocked while gaming or in other benchmarks than the aforementioned programs are stupid, and it was smart of Nivida to cripple these programs from sucking way more juice than the cards use to game with.

As far as I can tell OCCT and FURMARK are not benchmarking software, but stress testing software which should not in anyway be used to "measure power draw".

The point is the GTX580 gets higher FPS at lower temps than the GTX480 in real applications and in more realistic benchmarks. It's doing that without all this extra power OCCT and FURMARK pull from it.
    
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Maybe I'm retarded...

Or maybe I'm missing something here...


But if people are using OCCT or FURMARK for power draws benchmarking and it's throttling down due to a limiter on the voltage but does not throttle down even overclocked while gaming or in other benchmarks than the aforementioned programs are stupid, and it was smart of Nivida to cripple these programs from sucking way more juice than the cards use to game with.

As far as I can tell OCCT and FURMARK are not benchmarking software, but stress testing software which should not in anyway be used to "measure power draw".

The point is the GTX580 gets higher FPS at lower temps than the GTX480 in real applications and in more realistic benchmarks. It's doing that without all this extra power OCCT and FURMARK pull from it.
If Nvidia and AMD/ATI code drivers that will eventually throttle a GPU, to 2D clocks while stress testing, how in the world would you stress-test a GPU for stability? Have you thought about that? Let me guess, you're going to run games just to check for stability of OC'ed clocks? That will take days to find out if the clocks are stable. Programs such as Furmark and OCCT are essential for the ultimate stability of a GPU; otherwise, people will have to buy "factory overclocked" cards and pay additional money for it.


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OC'ing isn't a feature, it's a bonus.

I see no problem with them limiting how much voltage a piece of hardware can draw. OCCT and FURMARK are both demanding more voltage than the spec's state are safe.

What happens when a kid burns the house down because their massive huge powerful gpu melted down and caught on fire?

I see no reason why OCCT and FURMARK style stress testers can't separate the tests. Core max stress test, Shader max stress test, Ram max stress test. Doing that would limit the power draw by a large amount and probably keep it from throttling down.

It's also not fair for extremely powerful cards like the 480 or 580 to get bashed and slammed on forums and in the media based on unrealistic power draws that will never be seen any real life environment.

I would question how much stock the writers of these programs have in PSU companies, since their "findings" put unrealistic figures on power demands and cause people to purchase PSU's that are far outside the level that they really require.
    
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post #56 of 80
I think it is good they released this card. It has its flaws sure, but it is still a better opton than the 480. More refined, more power. Not convinced by the price though.
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We have yet another test today released by EXPreview (using the GPU-Z hack):

GTX480 vs. GTX580 (Real Power Consumption)



GTX580 vs. GTX580 (Real Peak Temperatures)



GTX580 vs. GTX580 (Accelero Temperatures)

Quote:
In order to compare GPU heating value between GTX 580 and GTX 480 more exactly, this time we used AC Accelero Xtreme Plus cooler with fan speed controlled at 85%, and graphics frequency and GPU voltage were kept in default state.


GTX580 vs. GTX580 (Using GTX480 Cooler Temperatures)

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We installed cooler of GTX 480 into GTX 580 to have a better comparison of GTX 580 GPU temperature under the condition of original cooler and GTX 480’s cooler, aimed to compare the advantage and disadvantage of the two coolers, certainly the precondition was that power consumption protection was broken.

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Edited by Open1Your1Eyes0 - 11/18/10 at 6:19am
post #58 of 80
^ Wow the 580 is quite hotter than the 480 with the GPU-z delimiter. Also, the 580 heatsink keeps it 8C cooler than the 480 heatsink.
Edited by Riou - 11/18/10 at 6:22am
post #59 of 80
Nice job, let me know when you can go faster with more cores and create less heat and use less power doing it.

Riou, unless I'm reading it wrong when they used the same cooler the gtx 580 with higher clocks and better performance was 5C cooler than the gtx 480.
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If Nvidia and AMD/ATI code drivers that will eventually throttle a GPU, to 2D clocks while stress testing, how in the world would you stress-test a GPU for stability? Have you thought about that? Let me guess, you're going to run games just to check for stability of OC'ed clocks? That will take days to find out if the clocks are stable. Programs such as Furmark and OCCT are essential for the ultimate stability of a GPU; otherwise, people will have to buy "factory overclocked" cards and pay additional money for it.


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