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Actually guys, better late than never. And in business, if there's no risk then it doesn't sound like business. When you think about it, when the companies or the goverment first chose Intel, there has to be something behind it. And now that AMD is trying to get in then of course there will be something behind it. I mean most of the time, when you first open a restaurant or a store there will be discount and such, and if you weren't a satisfied customer you might not even have to pay. And going deep into that you can makes it hard for the restaurant itself to survive...And business is business, there's so many doors, and when you chose the right door doesn't mean you're finished, there's just many more doors behind that doors, and that's called decisions. When you make a move, it's not about just put your right foot or left foot first but you need to know how far and which direction to put it. And being said that, you wouldn't know which is better unless you try both, you don't stay young forever nor you would want to stay in Elementary School forever, (I'm not saying Intel is Elementary Schoola AMD is College or whatsoever, but you get the point) and sometimes, changes is better. My point is, you can't just say it's a bad thing for AMD to make that move unless you already know the result, and for those who do knows the result you should report that either to AMD or Intel and you might get their shares, j/k.
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Actually guys, better late than never. And in business, if there's no risk then it doesn't sound like business. When you think about it, when the companies or the goverment first chose Intel, there has to be something behind it. And now that AMD is trying to get in then of course there will be something behind it. I mean most of the time, when you first open a restaurant or a store there will be discount and such, and if you weren't a satisfied customer you might not even have to pay. And going deep into that you can makes it hard for the restaurant itself to survive...And business is business, there's so many doors, and when you chose the right door doesn't mean you're finished, there's just many more doors behind that doors, and that's called decisions. When you make a move, it's not about just put your right foot or left foot first but you need to know how far and which direction to put it. And being said that, you wouldn't know which is better unless you try both, you don't stay young forever nor you would want to stay in Elementary School forever, (I'm not saying Intel is Elementary Schoola AMD is College or whatsoever, but you get the point) and sometimes, changes is better. My point is, you can't just say it's a bad thing for AMD to make that move unless you already know the result, and for those who do knows the result you should report that either to AMD or Intel and you might get their shares, j/k.
It is a fair point there, AMD finally getting there Foot in the door which is good of course.
post #33 of 48
Some of you guys are missing the point. I work in state government, and the rules are different for government that they are for the private sector. All jokes about $400 hammers aside, it is a simple and obvious rule that the government make every effort to spend your tax dollars in the best way possible. Writing a specific vendor into a Request for Proposal or Invitation to Bid (or whatever mechanism is used for procurement) limits choice, which can only be viewed as a Bad Thing in this context. If an AMD server is demonstrably better than an Intel server for a specific task, but that AMD server is off the table because of a preconceived bias towards Intel, then that can be construed as (at best) a poor use of taxpayer dollars.

And here's a concrete example of where AMD is better than Intel: We run a product called Microstrategy that, despite all modern conventional licensing practice, still licenses software based on the clock speed of the CPU. Since it is common knowledge and easily demonstrated than an AMD64 chip greatly outperforms an Intel chip at the same clock speed, I get a lot more bang for the buck by using AMD chips in that particular server.
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Some of you guys are missing the point. I work in state government, and the rules are different for government that they are for the private sector. All jokes about $400 hammers aside, it is a simple and obvious rule that the government make every effort to spend your tax dollars in the best way possible. Writing a specific vendor into a Request for Proposal or Invitation to Bid (or whatever mechanism is used for procurement) limits choice, which can only be viewed as a Bad Thing in this context. If an AMD server is demonstrably better than an Intel server for a specific task, but that AMD server is off the table because of a preconceived bias towards Intel, then that can be construed as (at best) a poor use of taxpayer dollars.
Cheers Now i understand it alot better now makes alot of sense when put that way. If i truley get you with the Goverment and what you stated above isnt it another way of saying getting the best bang for your buck ? ( Getting the best with tax payers money and what is justifiable )
post #35 of 48
Thank you Vulcan.. Paul, its like you take this personally. Whoopedy do Intel got kicked in the shin. Stop being mad at AMD for making a smart business move. They have been having their "big boy pants" on, but that hasnt helped them get to a 50/50 because of Intels monopoly it had on certain companies and establishments. AMD has grown alot though, and expect them to grow alot more by 2010, especially with people now being able to be sold AMD based computers.
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Heres how i see it..... AMD are whiner,they passed a law saying they need a fair shake at gov. computers sales? F-ing LOSERS
AMD, want a shot.... get up off theres Asses and build a chip that will compete with Intel and its own level. I'm not bashing AMD I would say the same thing if Intel wined.
I feel that way about life... If you want to compete then you need to be playing the SAME game.
My upcoming build... I thought about an AMD just to see,NAAAAAA I don't buy from whiners grow a set ()()
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Heres how i see it..... AMD are whiner,they passed a law saying they need a fair shake at gov. computers sales? F-ing LOSERS
AMD, want a shot.... get up off theres Asses and build a chip that will compete with Intel and its own level. I'm not bashing AMD I would say the same thing if Intel wined.
I feel that way about life... If you want to compete then you need to be playing the SAME game.
My upcoming build... I thought about an AMD just to see,NAAAAAA I don't buy from whiners grow a set ()()
I feel It was a fair thing to do on AMD's part to get out into the world a little more...No offence but your an INTEL FANBOY arnt you lol. First you need to get your Facts right before mouthing off really
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Heres how i see it..... AMD are whiner,they passed a law saying they need a fair shake at gov. computers sales? F-ing LOSERS
AMD, want a shot.... get up off theres Asses and build a chip that will compete with Intel and its own level. I'm not bashing AMD I would say the same thing if Intel wined.
I feel that way about life... If you want to compete then you need to be playing the SAME game.
My upcoming build... I thought about an AMD just to see,NAAAAAA I don't buy from whiners grow a set ()()

Thats nice, right now I want you to start a business and be forced to compete against the biggest manufacturor of the same thing you make because your the only competitor. HAVE FUN. . Intel had a monopoly on alot of things, AMD simply broke that monopoly. Now Intel cant manipulate the market like they have. Now you, stop whining.. And if you havent noticed, AMD in performance dominates the Desktop dual core Single core, Server, and mobile is pretty balanced, but regarding how your comment was made, I suppose you wouldnt know those tidbits of info, would you?
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F-ing LOSERS
AMD, want a shot.... get up off theres Asses and build a chip that will compete with Intel and its own level.
They have had a superior product for years and weren't considered because of the current playing field. Your logic doesn't even make it out of the starting gate.
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Heres how i see it..... AMD are whiner,they passed a law saying they need a fair shake at gov. computers sales? F-ing LOSERS
That's nonsense. If anything, this is nothing more then reestablishing a simple fact that should have been in place all along: the government is not allowed to play favorites.

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AMD, want a shot.... get up off theres Asses and build a chip that will compete with Intel and its own level.
Utter nonsense again. The AMD server chips have been better than Intel server chips for years, as has already been noted. This is not AMD fanboy hyperbole, this is easily researched. Intel continues to be the market leader because of its established mindshare, marketing, and (potentially, although yet to be proven in court) monopolistic practices.
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